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Sweet! A chick version of Nightcrawler! by Shermdawg	Nov 28th, 2007 11:00:43 PM

The designs aren't what's going to make this film by Monkey Butler	Nov 28th, 2007 11:00:51 PM
The direction will. The script treatment was shit in terms of story and character, and the aliens aren't all that interesting. What's going to sell this is Cameron's direction, and I don't think there's anything to worry about there.
I think its the Cat in the Hat sexed up by Stormwatcher	Nov 28th, 2007 11:01:22 PM
And that the truth
4th!! Yes I suck! by MrInsidious	Nov 28th, 2007 11:01:28 PM

Just rewatched Terminator, great movie, Micheal Biehn where are by Stormwatcher	Nov 28th, 2007 11:02:00 PM
Seriously, Cameron, throw him a bone.
Ah Shit by MrInsidious	Nov 28th, 2007 11:02:02 PM
Damn you Monkey Butler!
All Your Base by georges garvaren	Nov 28th, 2007 11:02:12 PM
I've chosen 'Who Cares' and here's why: I don't care!
SEVENTH!!!!! (or so) by Bass Bastardson	Nov 28th, 2007 11:02:25 PM
F Yeah! Take that 12th!!!
Even if this is the design plan by Regenhund	Nov 28th, 2007 11:02:49 PM
I imagine the final result will look VERY different. For one thing, it just doesn't look that alien. And she'll probably have more clothes for that PG13 target audience.
This design = yawn by tylerzero	Nov 28th, 2007 11:03:06 PM
Meh, although that being said I no nothing about this movie.
Yawn by haggardatbest	Nov 28th, 2007 11:05:09 PM
Not impressed with this. It might be good in a comic book, but show me something new there Jimmy.
JAMES CAMERONS.... HOLIDAY ON ICE: by Seph_J	Nov 28th, 2007 11:06:09 PM
The Movie. Coming Soon!
ST:TNG did this design with Geordi already by darthchase	Nov 28th, 2007 11:07:34 PM
i am not impressed. it's a little too humanoid, i think. Didn't they already do this in a Star Trek: The Next Gen episode, where Geordi sorta turns into an alien that's only visible in ultraviolet light or something? C'mon, Cameron, you're better than this!
imposter... by wraith777	Nov 28th, 2007 11:08:14 PM
not really from Avatar...trust me I know a guy....really
OLD! by Freddie Mercury	Nov 28th, 2007 11:08:31 PM
Merrick, next thing you'll be posting is that there's gonna be Close Encounters of the Third Kind aliens at the end of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, sitting on thrones in the Kingdom, which is really a spaceship.
Um, I think... by Tourist	Nov 28th, 2007 11:13:38 PM
...Crap? Stoopid? Looks like it should be in a Vegas show? The shitty scriptment, ugly looking aliens, dodge cast...Why oh why could he have just not made Battle Angel instead?
Hot Naked Alien Chick: Now With Tail For Prostate Massage! by TallBoy66	Nov 28th, 2007 11:18:22 PM
Now that's what I call getting some tail!!!
sigh by systemsbroom	Nov 28th, 2007 11:22:44 PM
Aliens are never very alien looking. Except maybe in "Alien." But even then . . . Oh well. Not sure what to expect from this one. On the one hand, Cameron has made some good action movies (a decade or two ago, but still). On the other, when directors get around to making a project that they've been obsessing with for years, the results are often underwhelming.
How long until this is removed? by THE KNIGHT	Nov 28th, 2007 11:23:06 PM
Can't wait for this Film!
To be honest...also will Cameron team up with ARNOLD? by ABking	Nov 28th, 2007 11:24:09 PM
To be honest, I don't know what to think about this image. But because it's JAMES CAMERON, I think AVATAR could be the blockbuster to beat come summer 2009. On to the subject of Cameron and Schwarzenegger. Mr. Cameron, if you or your team at Lightstorm Entertainment are reading this, I would like to know if Arnold comes back to films, will Cameron and Schwarzenegger team up to make a few more action extravaganzas for fans of TERMINATOR, T2 and TRUE LIES? Maybe have Arnie play a cyborg in BATTLE ANGEL or make a really bad ass TRUE LIES 2.
What would happen if Mystique was from Kamino? by WYLD STALLYNS RULES	Nov 28th, 2007 11:29:45 PM
Look at that head! It's tiny!
It's craptacular. by droxford	Nov 28th, 2007 11:33:03 PM
It's just a naked chick with different colors and patterns on her. Big deal. Reminds me of my disappointment with Star Trek aliens. "Look at me - I have a piece of rubber on my forehead! I must be an alien!" I'd expect that crap from a homemade show with a budget of twelve bucks. Coming soon: a man will put fake plastic teeth in his mouth, look at the camera, say "hhhhhhhiisssss" and call himself a vampire.
C'mon, ABking... by Freddie Mercury	Nov 28th, 2007 11:34:28 PM
Schwarzenegger is dunzo. Strictly cameos from here on out. Or should I say from Around the World In 80 Days on out?
Looks great! by zodiac1012	Nov 28th, 2007 11:35:37 PM
The final version will be way better. Can't wait to see it on the big screen. Iron Jim rules.
worship at the altar by occula	Nov 28th, 2007 11:39:06 PM
i think this is bogus too. even if it were early art, early art is often way more way-out-there than what ends up on screen, and this is so not out there. it also looks a little like a third-term art center college of design final project in character development. i await the awesomeness that will come. cameron knows if he doesn't deliver that he's dead to everybody; i don't think his ego won't let him turn in something that's lame!
Cameron could make Harry Tasker legend ala BOND, RAMBO, INDY... by ABking	Nov 28th, 2007 11:47:35 PM
I think Jim could work fast between AVATAR and BATTLE ANGEL to make a 100 million budget TRUE LIES 2. Old Harry Tasker could look great next to old Indiana Jones, old Rambo and make Bond look like a chump!
NO MORE MOCAP! by Osmosis Jones	Nov 28th, 2007 11:48:01 PM
THOSE EEYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!! !!!!
"Why do cartoon characters have four fingers?" by Osmosis Jones	Nov 28th, 2007 11:50:15 PM
It makes their hands easier to animate, and it makes it impossible for said characters to flip the bird. ;)
ASS - AS IN, 'THIS DESIGN IS.' by ninjatracksuit	Nov 28th, 2007 11:58:13 PM
Okay, I've posted on here a few times - sometimes to preach to the choir and support something I love, sometimes to give some of the contributors a (deserved) hard time...And I've rarely - if ever - posted anything about concept art or design...I actually refuse to get caught up in the fecal tornado that is the 'This Joker sucks/This Joker is awesome...To the maxx!' controversy, but now...Honestly, this bit was spot on about this design being derivative - not just derivative, but just so 'ugh' in all the worst ways. I know, I know - it can all change drastically, either in concept or once it is translated to the screen, but seriously - this is either the worst Magic: The Gathering card ever, or it's an ad for female alien Rogaine. I mean, Why the fuck is she BALDING?!! (Disclaimer: Yes, I did play Magic for a short period of time in my youth, but the heroin helped me eventually quit)
lame by Dollar Bird	Nov 28th, 2007 11:59:04 PM
I have to say, whenever I read anything about this movie, I imagined much cooler aliens.
In Cameron you should all trust! by ABking	Nov 29th, 2007 12:02:51 AM
Nuff said!!!
anybody else read the scriptment for this? by Zardoz	Nov 29th, 2007 12:13:24 AM
I read it like a decade ago and it was pretty cool. It seemed like "Dances With Wolves" meets "Fantastic Planet". Has it changed much since then? And yes, it sucks that there hasn't been a sequel to True Lies. Could have easily been another franchise character like Bond, Indy, etc.
Andromeda! by Colier Rannd	Nov 29th, 2007 12:18:34 AM
I remember that. Good show 'til the midway of the second season.
The scriptment wasn't bad... by ABking	Nov 29th, 2007 12:19:30 AM
I read some of it a decade ago, it was ok. It definetly has changed since then. Cameron and Arnold definetly need to make a couple more TRUE LIES movies with an older play on Tasker. Seeing those INDIANA JONES pics with Ford and Stallone in RAMBO, it makes sense for Arnold to come back with TRUE LIES being his new franchise. Yes, Arnie is older now but Harry Tasker can age unlike a TERMINATOR.
If they had a baby by Pink Box Destroyer	Nov 29th, 2007 12:22:30 AM
Looks like the lovechild of the alien from Species and Tron
yes, it is derivative and boring and uninspiring by Rupee88	Nov 29th, 2007 12:23:48 AM
I would say why even post it, but we are all hungry for Avatar information so I guess I don't blame you. But it did remind me of the Abyss and of course of CG Angelina because that is fresh in our mind.
IT'S NOT ALIVE... by rost	Nov 29th, 2007 12:34:31 AM
HAVE YOU SEEN THE EYES, IT'S ALL IIN THE EEEEEEEYYYEEEEEEEEeeeeeeesssss .
ninjatracksuit you should post more... by JimCurry	Nov 29th, 2007 12:43:21 AM
We're all freakin dying for more of your input, please keep it comin.
you cant judge it from a 30 minute concept design... by BMacSmith	Nov 29th, 2007 12:47:32 AM
but of course, we will anyway. Might be cool.
terrible by Halfbreedqueen	Nov 29th, 2007 01:08:20 AM
but I bet the end result looks nothing like that. it's probably how it looks before any of the cgi alterations. still, that one image is dreadful. looks like a bad Unreal Tournament skin. shitty, but I doubt it's the real thing. and I like Cameron, but Jesus H some people here think he's god. maybe he is... hmmm, yeah he hasn't made a good flick since T2 for me, but damn if Aliens, T1 and 2, and The Abyss weren't great. here's to Avatar not sucking like the above pic...
MAN-CATS! by DocPazuzu	Nov 29th, 2007 01:14:35 AM
It had to be said.
cameron hasnt made a movie in??? by yassoo	Nov 29th, 2007 01:21:26 AM
10-11 years? aliens and T2 were awesome, but different era, different time for movies. anyone else kinda worried about him? seriously, if these pics are legit... yikes.
Cortana...with a tail? by kidicarus	Nov 29th, 2007 01:22:07 AM
Come on, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned that yet.
Looks like the cover of a Robert A. Heinlein novel by Riley Martin	Nov 29th, 2007 01:34:21 AM
In other words - A PIECE OF SHIT
awesome!...Avatar=second coming of JC by Rindain	Nov 29th, 2007 01:50:46 AM
This pic fits the scriptment description 100%. I can't wait to see how these aliens move, and the way the bioluminescence shifts with their emotions/arousal.
French kissing cats in 3-D! by Uncapie	Nov 29th, 2007 02:17:01 AM
Now, that's what the world wants to see! I'd buy that for a dollar!
It's the Abyss all over again....!! by D o o d	Nov 29th, 2007 02:30:09 AM
plus that illustration was done by a 3 year old. It looks shit..!
It's The Abyss all over again? by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 29th, 2007 02:32:04 AM
Cool, seeing as it's James Cameron's masterpiece.
A little late by jiggertool	Nov 29th, 2007 02:32:05 AM
Joblo.com scooped it days ago. Ya slow bitches!
All of Cameron's movies are kinda love stories by TallBoy66	Nov 29th, 2007 02:38:07 AM
Piranah aside, no really. Aliens & Terminator 2 are about family love. Every other one is about man-on-woman love. They may not fully be, you know, "Love in the Time of Cholera" love stories, but they're big elements of his movies (not like, say, the love subplot in Batman Begins which was painfully tacked on, the ones in Cameron's flicks are a big part of the storyline) so, yeah, point I'm trying to make it someone is going to bang that blue furrie chick on screen. Hawt.
Well, aside from the documentaries, that is. by TallBoy66	Nov 29th, 2007 02:38:28 AM
You get my point, anyway.
boring... by Maniaq	Nov 29th, 2007 02:48:12 AM
very anthropocentric I just lost a whole lotta interest
Bigger version of Avatar pic here: by Rindain	Nov 29th, 2007 02:53:53 AM
http://i2.tinypic.com/8ge99qs. jpg
I can see that cameron bashing is by emeraldboy	Nov 29th, 2007 03:13:35 AM
beginning. my...how times have changed.
James Cameron owns you by Live.	Nov 29th, 2007 03:21:40 AM
Owns you, me, and everyone else on this dirt ball planet. Avatar will be the movie of the year, and spawn a billion imitators.
Worry not fellow film lovers.... by DirkD13"	Nov 29th, 2007 03:38:15 AM
.........for Jim'll fix it for you, and you and you and bum-ba-bah. Seriously guys; Jim Cameron, back after over a decade, making a sci-fi action spectacular with revolutionary effects. That is the very definition of, "my dick is so hard for this I might spuff into my latte" coolness.
I love Cameron as much as the next guy.... by judge dredds fresh undies	Nov 29th, 2007 03:38:47 AM
but yeah, that image is pretty weak, which leads me to suspect its not legit or its just one of a huge batch of concepts...
Mwah by MorpheusTheSandman	Nov 29th, 2007 03:53:30 AM
Mystique as a cat ...
regarding cameron by emeraldboy	Nov 29th, 2007 03:53:44 AM
note to other action filmmakers. prior to the opening of Avatar. get out of town, your movie is going to get slaughtered.
Tron meets Thundercats, looks sexy though! by KillaKane	Nov 29th, 2007 04:00:34 AM
Ultimately comes down to how well this is executed visually, 'Iron Jim' seldom dissappoints, so I'm not too anxious.
Give Jim a break. by Fortunesfool	Nov 29th, 2007 04:02:08 AM
Honestly, how many film-makers have delivered a movie that was as good you'd hoped from the trailers....not many, right? All of Camerons (barring Titanic) have. A little faith people. We've been living in a Cameron free world for too long. Mission impossible 3 and 300 are considered genre clasics these days....
boring by SuperFinn	Nov 29th, 2007 04:13:53 AM
way too humanoid a design. So these creatures, who have gone through their own evolution god knows how many lightyears away, have also ended up looking, well, pretty much exactly like us? Two legs + two arms + torso + face = boring. At least the broad in Total Recall had three boobs.
More humanoid aliens... yawn... by Ray Gamma	Nov 29th, 2007 04:33:04 AM
Oh dear this doesn't bode well. After all this build-up, are we going to be treated to the usual corny "tall blue humanoid alien with stripes and a tail" shit? I really had my hopes up for this movie, but I guess I might still be waiting a bit longer for someone to make an epic movie about alien life that doesn't involve corny "sci-fi paperback" 40-year-old humanoid alien concept designs.
its a naked chick by dr.bulber	Nov 29th, 2007 04:37:28 AM
god bless science fiction!
MAN-CATS by Lost Jarv	Nov 29th, 2007 04:48:01 AM
Fuck yes... I just want to see them catnip-ped to the gills indulging in an insane feline orgy. We need this to be good- I'm praying that 2008/9 will be a return to form and the shit-stains that have been the last few years releases will be viewed in the future as a puzzling aberration.
meh by ironic_name	Nov 29th, 2007 04:48:38 AM
meh
Not they're not, Fortune Stool... by Ghostball	Nov 29th, 2007 04:51:48 AM
Ninjatracksuit, that ain't hair, they're neural lobes, as per the scriptmen - the only alien that's ever gonna look cool with hair is Chewbacca, and that was a fluke. That said, this doesn't look at all cool anyway. This is bad news, because the treatment stunk up the joint, and we were all hoping the designs and direction would make up for it. Now all we can hope for is the latter, if this pic is anything to go by. 'Derivative' doesn't even touch the sides when it comes to describing this. This is just Abe Sapien after doing a few strokes in Springfield's sewers. Is this really what 200 million buys us these days? Even Spieldberg's lame munchkin WOTW critters were more intersting than this. I think the problem here is that Cameron wanted the likes of N'Deh (or whatever stupid Star Trek name she has) to be sexy or buff for the general audience to feel a connection with - but c'mon. This is the creature he'll want everyone talking about a year from now. If this pic is bogus, sorry for the rant, James. In all likelihood, considering Avatar is supposed to be THE tentpole movie of '09, it's way too early to allow as complete an image as this to slip through net. What I'm subtly trying to hint any Lightstorm big cheese here is, PLEASE publically disown this image double time, and tell us that we're gonna see something pretty different and iconic - 'cus the consensus opinion on THIS DTV afterthought of an image is: no dice!
just saw beowulf..grendel's mum.. by couP	Nov 29th, 2007 05:14:59 AM
with a diff colour skin and some stripes is all i can see when i see this pic; not too impressed, wanted something cooler.
Tron meets Species meets Lion-O by Bobo_Vision	Nov 29th, 2007 05:15:14 AM

I'm going to be burned out on 3D by the time this hits by I Dunno	Nov 29th, 2007 06:00:43 AM
I don't want to put glasses on every time I go to the movies. Wake me up when we have holograms.
if you wanna see a really poor Jim Cameron film... by D o o d	Nov 29th, 2007 06:17:53 AM
then go see monsters of the deep on Imax. That is a really boring piece of work. Also poorly executed. I do love jim though, We all know he's gonna deliver on this movie.
nice tail..... by just pillow talk	Nov 29th, 2007 06:32:49 AM
meow!
Maybe it's the prune juice & vodka i've been by Amadeo Zeller	Nov 29th, 2007 06:33:58 AM
drankin', but that blue bitch is gettin' be horny.
Looks cool to me... by TraumReiter	Nov 29th, 2007 06:34:52 AM
... and AB King your mom said it's time for your pills.
Ray Gamma (Re: Humanoid Aliens) by Cepper	Nov 29th, 2007 06:41:48 AM
Yeah, I came on to say the same thing. I don't know the details of the story but it is absolutely ridiculous to think that life that evolved somewhere other than earth will look anything like us. With all the artists in the world and CGI to make it happen, can't we just once have an 'alien' that doesn't have a head, two arms, two eyes, and a mouth? Even E.T. and Alien were too close to human for me.
On the other hand... by Cepper	Nov 29th, 2007 06:44:42 AM
...if this cryptic 'Avatar' is really code for being a live action Thundercats movie, then I'm all for it. Thundercats HOOOOO!!!
The Abyss meets DC comics by CuervoJones	Nov 29th, 2007 06:49:06 AM
I love it, but i´m James Cameron´s Bitch.
Looks like cocept Art for the Abyss II - Return to the Abyss by FILMFUNK	Nov 29th, 2007 06:49:24 AM
Via Spliced via Species via whatever... Don't ken owt about the Avatar!? Don't want to, Just want to wait and park my bum in front of a new Jimmy Cameron Sci-Fi and have my Cinema Loving head fucked once more! No more submersibles and Rusty ship Shenanigans please Jim! Just Hard-Core Technology pushing Big Time Event Movies please!
I don't care about crazy character design by Spandau Belly	Nov 29th, 2007 07:03:34 AM
I just want a good story told well, and Cameron does exactly that.
The whole not alien enough... by UndeadXeke	Nov 29th, 2007 07:33:35 AM
I don't have a problem with the 2 legs, 2 arms, face thing. It makes perfect sense, if you have an alien with a dozen legs it isn't going to be as intelligent because it would have to devote more brain power to running all the extra limbs. As for the face, it makes sense to have all the sensory organs together at the highest point of the body and as close as possible to the brain. We evolved this way for a reason, it makes sense for an alien intelligence to evolve along a similar path as long as there aren't any environmental restrictions. As for the actual design, it's fucking awful. It looks like they got a cats head and photoshopped it onto a human body then painted it all blue...and it shouldn't be bioluminiscent stripes, it should be patches/spots running down the sides of the body (like Dax in DS9).
I like the body - the face not so much by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 07:38:48 AM
the girls I usually date are the other way around. I'm a bummer for fat asses hidden behind nice smiles.
Where's the creativity and thought in this design? by Kraaken	Nov 29th, 2007 07:39:18 AM
A species should be a reflection fo years of evolution in it's environment. A blue humanoid with neon blue stripes should be that way for a reaason. I hope it's a good one, but at this point, I have no idea what that could be. Why the tail? Why the color? Why humanoid? Why 4 fingers?
Didn't I see this chick at Burning Man in '98? by Pound Sand	Nov 29th, 2007 07:43:09 AM
And, like cartoon characters, she's got four fingers. Hate it.
Why does every alien have to do the Star Trek 'human with paint by henrydalton	Nov 29th, 2007 07:45:52 AM
I mean, with a multi-million budget and state-of-the-art CGI etc etc, couldn't we have something a LITTLE less obviously humanoid?
You don't need to know the details of our operation. by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 29th, 2007 07:45:58 AM
It's better if you don't.
The rest of that cut-off title was by henrydalton	Nov 29th, 2007 07:46:53 AM
and bits of shit stuck on them' thing.
Guys by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 29th, 2007 07:49:38 AM
This is clearly an early concept design. Cameron will come up with the goods.
henrydalton by Blue_Demon	Nov 29th, 2007 07:57:00 AM
I think the reason they made this creature very humanoid is so we would be able to identify with it. Also, I remember reading that the lead human falls in love with a female alien. They had to keep her human enough to make his attraction to her believable.
Don't know how many still are... by Ghostball	Nov 29th, 2007 08:14:25 AM
but we know how many already have: more people than you've had hot dinners ^__^
CAT girl with BOOBIES! by mistergreen	Nov 29th, 2007 08:15:20 AM
nuff said
I still watch T2 once a year by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 08:17:57 AM
every August 29
OH, and ANdromeda was a crappy show. by mistergreen	Nov 29th, 2007 08:19:03 AM
The tail on the blue girl sucked anyways.. It was controlled by a fishing line like the Cowardly lion in the Wizard of Oz
"hints of THE ABYSS" by Lerkst	Nov 29th, 2007 08:19:05 AM
snickers I just thought that was hilarious...gee, ya think? Look, Cameron as director and visualist is a genius. His writing abilities are questionable from a dialougue pov---I mean T2 was just ridiculous. But the Abyss was a classic, and the bridge between the old and the new FX wise. Ed Harris was Sgt. Rock in that film. Avatar is going to break new ground, and will rock.
What's the old saying? by greenstyle92	Nov 29th, 2007 08:24:16 AM
Everything's better with Boobies? But yeah. The face. If I was nailing her, I'd make her wear a paper bag over her head.
Unless the scriptment differs drastically from the script by DannyOcean01	Nov 29th, 2007 08:34:19 AM
I could give 2 figs for this project. I'm not going to be swayed by the fact this is Cameron's return. That scriptment depicted an utterly derivative, dull sci-fi film which took the piggyback concept of 'war' from Forever Peace and set it on some hippy earth mother alien world. If I want to watch Dances with Wolves, I'll go watch Dances with Wolves. And that alien, as Harry says, isn't anything we haven't seen before in one way or another. Cameron should have gone on to make the Terminator we've all been waiting for with man against machine in a huge, devastating war. It wasn't about him repeating himself it was about him concluding a huge piece of work, and he's shelved it to make happy with hippy, bullcrap.
Heavy Metal by bluebottle	Nov 29th, 2007 08:35:40 AM
looks like it should be airbrushed onto the side of a van. Which isn't a bad thing.
Blue_Demon has it right by Antares5711	Nov 29th, 2007 08:48:04 AM
They have to make the aliens attractive on some level because one of the humans is going to fall in love with one and the audience has to be able to buy into that. It wouldnt work so well if they had insect like faces with tentacles or were floating brains or something. :)
Tim Burton tried the "loveable" alien angle in POTA by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 08:54:15 AM
and honest to God, I wanted to bang Helena Bonham Carter a thousand times more than the other dull blonde chick. Probably the Marla Singer effect. Or closeted bestiality, go figure.
It's clear what the real problem is here. by zinc_chameleon	Nov 29th, 2007 08:55:23 AM
Not enough breasts. There should be a least six: 2 Ds, 2 Cs, 2 Bs. And a really convoluted pseudo-science explanation.
NEW James Cameron flick = HOLIDAY!!!! by JDanielP	Nov 29th, 2007 08:57:39 AM
Bring it, Jim!
Dull. by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 09:00:38 AM
How unoriginal, (SPOILER? . . .) So we're on the other side of the universe and the best they can come up with is a girl with a tail. How about something truly alien? Something we haven't seen a thousand times before. I am looking forward to Avatar, but I still think Cameron's over rated and arrogant. Titanic? Give me a break - he's his own biggest fan.
I go to sleep watching T2 by ChrisVenom	Nov 29th, 2007 09:03:07 AM
Every once in a while when I cant sleep i put on T2 and doze off. Not sure why, I just do.
The Abyss (the longer version) is a classic by Lovecraftfan	Nov 29th, 2007 09:03:45 AM
You know it is.
Does it transform? by Diagnostic	Nov 29th, 2007 09:05:21 AM
And where is its laser cannon?
The guy made T1&2, Abyss, Aliens and True Lies by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 09:06:26 AM
and yet, some won't give him the benefit of the FUCKING doubt? Some people here are hyped with the next Jon Favreau (huh?) or Chris Weitz (???) movies, but won't NEVER forgive him for Titanic. Sad.
WILL NEVER forgive him. by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 09:08:46 AM
For Christ's sake! It's an apocryphal piece of artwork from a movie that won't be released until summer 2009... Chill out haters!
That looks like the description from the script treatment... by HarrysTitCheese	Nov 29th, 2007 09:20:52 AM
...that was on the web years ago. I believe the Avatars were 8 feet tall also. They and most fauna on the planet were blue because of the atmosphere. I can't wait to see the creature that shoots it's head with a spike to kill prey and then reattaches it or the levitating mountains. Should be trippy.
I'd do her...always wanted a black chick. by Cletus Van Damme	Nov 29th, 2007 09:43:16 AM
...and if she's already black and blue, then it saves me the trouble of beating her!
"James Cameron is vastly overrated." by Cletus Van Damme	Nov 29th, 2007 09:44:37 AM
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, it's not like he holds the current #1 spot for largest grossing film of all time....oh, shit. Yes he does, you're a moron.
meh, not very interesting. by The_Boo	Nov 29th, 2007 09:47:25 AM
Cameron hasn't done anything decent in well over a decade. I didn't even care for True Lies, so unless I see something really compelling besides generic alien #43 I'll skip it.
I can't believe you guys calling T2 dated by Spandau Belly	Nov 29th, 2007 09:49:08 AM
Maybe if you're one of the kids born in the 1990s who grew up with CGI and you prefer how that stuff looks over models and puppets, then fine, go see Beowolf. But if you're old enough to have enjoyed this film when it actually came out I don't see what's changed. This movie looks great. The effects look way better than most stuff that has come since. I guess one kid has a mullet and that video game John plays at the arcade at the begining kinda date it, but come on, this isn't like Streets of Fire or anything. What next, you guys going say Die Hard ain't all that anymore?
What would be really interesting... by Ghostball	Nov 29th, 2007 09:51:32 AM
would be if they could come up with a creature more attractive than even the hottest of God's own human women... (or for the females viewers, human men, but I'm speaking for myself here). 'Impossible' I hear you cry? So was putting a man on the moon. Well, who knows, maybe it still is - but my challenge stands. BTW, I don't thinks there's any hating happening here: We all know the final movie will blow our balls out the top of our heads with character-moment-stuffed, groundbreaking action drama goodness. We're jaded, not stupid.
Spandau by Shaw	Nov 29th, 2007 09:53:06 AM
I don't think the dialog holds up particularly well. Mostly the "hasta la vista baby" type lines.
Damn furries by DeCypher44	Nov 29th, 2007 10:01:06 AM
I mean, seriously. Why the hell is Cameron making a "furry" movie? The demo can't be all that big.
I have faith this will pwn everything and everyone by performingmonkey	Nov 29th, 2007 10:01:08 AM
It could well be the last truly great genre flick...until Battle Angel starring Arnie comes along!!
AVATAR WILL THE NEXT LEAP IN FILM MAKING. by FleshMachine	Nov 29th, 2007 10:07:23 AM
mark my words.
AVATAR WILL "BE" THE NEXT LEAP IN FILM MAKING. by FleshMachine	Nov 29th, 2007 10:07:46 AM
mark my words.
"Hasta la vista" was cheesy back in 1991 by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 10:22:44 AM
along with the arcade game (Defenders?) and the shitty haircuts. The other 99% of the film however were just grounbreaking, fun, and worthy of cult status. What's not to like, even 15 years or so later?
Shaw by Spandau Belly	Nov 29th, 2007 10:25:36 AM
I'm kinda surprised anybody would say this. I love James Cameron's movies and think that modern filmmakers biggest problem is that they don't invest enough screentime and seriousness into their characters. His dialogue is very sincere. Modern action movies try to hedge their bets by being sarcastic and self-aware and jokey for 90% of the character scenes and then expect you to suddenly care about them. So yes, Cameron's dialogue is dated, but I prefer that approach to the new stuff. I'd say The Matrix is one of the few post-Cameron action movies to really spend solid time on character and story. Even when The Matrix came out I found all the references to Alice in Wonderland cheesy and some of the acting hammy. But I wouldn't go calling it dated or say that it doesn't hold up, and I doubt I ever will. There was stuff in there I never liked, but it's still a great action film. As for "hasta la vista", I wouldn't call T2 a oneliner fest, especially compared to other Schwarzenhegger flicks like Commando. I guess James Cameron was sort of a pioneer of the transition in action movies where they went from being cheesy jokey movies like Commando to respectable "action-dramas" like Bourne these days, so in Cameron's work there are some remnants of the oldschool action ways, such as the occasional oneliner. I guess it's not enough for me to call his movies dated, or to hinder my enjoyment of it.
Nosferatu Jones & T2 by Lerkst	Nov 29th, 2007 10:30:51 AM
Mr. Jones's remarks about Titanic; exactly. I can think of, oh, a billion and a half reasons why it's a great movie. Titanic is a classic. The effects in T2 are still top shelf--because NO one can light a set like Cameron and his people. Watch the Asylum sequence in that film, or the bathroom fight in True Lies. That being said, T2 is dated in a 'script' way for me....the dialouge is painfully cheesy. T3 IS the better film, and I stand by that. Next to Ridely Scott, Cameron is the only director that I grew up with that I STILL go see in theatre, no matter what it is. He's a true master.
Lucas should have given the by emeraldboy	Nov 29th, 2007 10:32:47 AM
Star wars prequel to james Cameron and then quit.
Mullets by Flying Spaghetti Monster	Nov 29th, 2007 10:38:10 AM
are not dated my friend
Does anyone know why I can seemingly only by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 10:44:05 AM
sign on at 3:40 in the freakin AM. Its a helluva time to rant..... Oh and Cameron Rules, anyone who can't admit excitement for a new JAMES CAMERON SCIFI FLICK, is either a eunich or their testicles havn't dropped.
T2 is a true classic... by ABking	Nov 29th, 2007 10:50:05 AM
T2 dated!? This is one helleva classic sequel masterpiece that will never be dated. Maybe the Guns N Roses song but thats it! I hope AVATAR is a wild ride like T2 was in 1991. Cameron and Spielberg are one of a handful of filmmakers that develop characters equal to the enormous action set pieces.
You'll notice I did not call you haters gay by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 10:52:38 AM
The gayest gay who ever gayed would still be more excited, hence, more of a man than you weirdo spoilt brats. Let me guess, you guys could do this better than Cameron right? I'm more excited about this than I was about the return of Kubrick, Mallick and Lucas all in the one year. It still stuns me that he cops flack for his king of the world speech. The guy had just made the most expensive movie of all time, based on a story where everyone on Earth knew the outcome. It was being called a flop months before it opened, there were rumours of an extremely unhappy set (the entire crew were poisoned by LSD in their meals) and when all was said and done his movie made more money than any other flick in history by at least double. Nahh your right, he has no right to brag.
Not sure about the tail but... by alienindisguise	Nov 29th, 2007 10:53:08 AM
it may be one of those things that looks better when moving rather than just seeing it as a drawing. I'm really hoping that by the time Avatar hits our eyeballs it looks 100 times better than Beowulf.To me that only looks slightly better than the Spirits Within and that ain't great. I hope Cameron's crew can truly make it where I can't tell it's cg. That's where Beowulf failed miserably.
Underwhelming! by Sad_Lieutenant	Nov 29th, 2007 10:56:16 AM
But if it's from the schlub who brought us Titanic, True Lies, and Piranha Part II: The Spawning, then the final product must truly be genius!
emeraldboy, good idea. by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 10:59:35 AM
I always thought that the ultimate STAR WARS prequel trilogy would have been George Lucas directing the first one, Steven Spielberg directing the second one, and then James Cameron directing the third and final episode. Have all three of them involved creatively on scripting WITH participation from the top writers in the world, and spend a billion dollars making them. George Lucas would have cemented his legacy as a filmmaking maverick/visionary with a project that would have never been equaled. Instead we got.......
So Cameron is making the HALO movie now? by Monkey Man Zero	Nov 29th, 2007 11:01:38 AM
Or does no-one else see Cortana in that pic?
...and a weird new fan fetish is born. by ArtemisClydefrog	Nov 29th, 2007 11:06:49 AM
Admit it Merrick, you just pulled this from 4Chan.
OK, on topic now. by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 11:09:04 AM
AVATAR will set the world on fire. Believe it. I can't wait for all the naysayers (and there seem to be several) to be proven thoroughly wrong! I'm also shocked at all the people saying "she looks too human"! Uhm, this is a movie, not a documentary. I'm sure that intelligent alien life on other planets evolved in ways that are totally different from us, but the Na'vi are characters........that we need to identify with. This is fiction. And I can guarantee that they will move and look very alien in comparison to us. Just the changing skin alone will be trippy. And anyone who has read the scriptment knows that the planet Pandora will be a mind fuck. VERY alien to earth.
AVATAR will set the world on fire by ironic_name	Nov 29th, 2007 11:19:23 AM
ha!
One more thing..... by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 11:22:09 AM
To ALL naysayers: Go put ALIENS (theatrical cut) into your dvd player and behold what a masterpiece of action filmmaking looks, sounds, moves, and feels like. AVATAR is going to knock us on our collective geek asses!
ironic_name by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 11:24:47 AM
I'll see you in the AVATAR talkback May 23rd 2009. I'm really going to enjoy saying "I told you so".
"current #1 spot for largest grossing film of all time" by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 11:30:40 AM
"Current #1 spot for largest grossing film of all time" Well woopiedoo. If popularity equalled quality we'd have no shit in the music charts. You've seen Titanic right? Sheep, baah.
Thall_Joben by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 11:37:39 AM
Ummm yeah I have seen it, along with a couple of hundred million people. Say what you want about Titanic douche, but there is no denying the achievment of the piece and when you compare it to Pearl Harbour(which follows the same basic blueprint) it leaves it for dead.
I, for one, prefer the Aliens extended cut by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 11:39:40 AM
more badassness is more.
Thall_Joben, Sorry by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 11:39:52 AM
I should have just said "Hey you, Dickless". This is like David Lean rising from the dead, except Lean didn't write.
The King Is Half Undressed by mrbong	Nov 29th, 2007 11:39:59 AM
James Cameron WAS one of the greatest talents in the whole film industry. the man was a visionary - sure, Aliens, Terminator covertly and True Lies overtly just ripped off (or "paid homage" to) old existing films and shows, but boy he sure made them his own, didn't he? and, whereas i have some problems watching it all the way through again due to the lame Furlong performance and it not really being a proper Terminator film, T2 is one of the all time greats. but then he disappeared with wealth and opulence for ten odd years after Titanic, turning up to make some ocean films and some bizarre claims about Christ's burial site, no? i would love it if this Avatar business, whatever the hell it actually is, came along and smacked everyone sideways. i just think that, and you have to accept that Cameron is no Kubrick, 10 years away from cinema and more than that away from, broadly speaking, "action" films is a bit of a warning sign - i imagine Mr Cameron to be at worst over-bloated and self-indulgent, at best just making something to keep the bank ticking over. it will be class if i am wrong, but i suspect Avatar will be dullsville and of little interest or success.
Cameron is the greatest visualist in cinema by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 11:41:26 AM
Better even than Spielberg.
The hatred and hostility on this board towards Cameron is astoun by Lovecraftfan	Nov 29th, 2007 11:45:38 AM
I mean really have you guys seen his films. Theyre pretty damn good.
Comparing Titanic to Pearl harbour is like comparing crap to shi by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 11:47:16 AM
Baah! BAAAH! "It's popular so it's great" BAAAAAHHHH! Sheep.
He wasn't jobless for the last 10 years by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 11:47:33 AM
he was just perfecting his proprietary 3D material with his documentaries. Granted, the Jesus H. Christ documentary he produced was lame.
The T2 Folly by mrbong	Nov 29th, 2007 11:47:57 AM
right, before i get lashed, T2's effects hold up VERY well today, and the action sequences have seldom been equaled, let alone surpassed, in the last 15-odd years. the film ceased to be a "proper" Terminator film, however, with the "i swear i will not kill anybody", or if you will "i svear i vil nat kill anyvody" moment. it was a real Jump The Shark incident in the film. this idea of the Terminator not killing anybody to meet some adolescent ideal from a criminal kid about recreating the future is nonsense. whereas it is plausible that a child would make such a wish, the reality is that to save them, violence and death would have to be a reality. had they not had Arnie "svear" and explain that it was the nature of survival to kill to protect, you would have had a genuine, bona fide Sci Fi classic and probably the best Terminator film of them all. it's not that i wanted to see mauled bodies all over for some sadistic pleasure, it's just that they defeated the ends of their own contextual reality and story development with that moment. as i said before, Furlong's performance didn't really help much either, but i suppose he was at least not as annoying as the little shit they had as the kid in Last Action Hero who more or less destroyed that one. should anyone deem it necessary to reply, please give some consideration to my observations, then slam away at will if you must.
You're a class act ThallJoben by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 11:50:08 AM
kudos.
I think this is a fake by misnomer	Nov 29th, 2007 11:53:23 AM
it's sort of like something a fan would draw who had read the treatment. I'm still not sure about this movie...the fact that it's cameron and he's pushing the boat out is the only thing that's appealing to me. The treatment was pretty mundane in terms of story and characters...it'll really be the direction and effects that will make this.
Back at ya SpencerTrilby by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 11:54:20 AM
I'm still looking forward to it, despite my vitriol.
The Oak's oath to "nat kill anyvody" makes sense by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 11:56:29 AM
in the movie's context (and was cleverly explored in T3 as well): John Connor is NOT READY to be the saviour he was meant to be, the warlord sending men to certain death to save what's left of mankind. The T-800 wasn't a nanny, he was a substitute father. And no one would want to see his father kill someone, especially innocents. Even for the sake of survival, it would be quite ugly on oh so many moral planes.
Thall_Joben by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 11:56:33 AM
Wow it must be great to have the right opinion all the time.
It would be awesome to know everything by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 11:59:27 AM
Just think, no Iraq , no 9/11, no slavery, no religion if only they had of asked..... Thall Joben
Comparing Titanic to Pearl harbour is like comparing crap to shi by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 12:03:12 PM
lets just see shall we..... James Cameron or Micheal Bay, Leo or Assfleck, Winslet or Beckinsale. Yeah, your right, nuthin different there.....fuckwit.
"Right opinion" . . . by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 12:08:41 PM
Not saying that I know it all, well maybe just a little. That a large number of people share an opinion isn't necessarily an indicator that everyone is right, (see Nazi Germany for a nice example) only that a belief is popular - got it? It's not a complicated concept. Oh and "BAAAAH"!
Thall_Joben by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 12:11:55 PM
touche!(except for your obvious Nazi link, couldn't you have hit out at browncoats, much more worrisome than skinheads.)
one9deuce by ironic_name	Nov 29th, 2007 12:14:30 PM
if the world is on fire, the internet may be destroyed. plus we would be in ice caves trying to survive.
Piranah 2 was way better than Titanic by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 12:15:42 PM
I like most of his movies, I just don't enjoy his public persona, or think he's the greatest director that ever lived.
mrbong is Captain Needa by I Dunno	Nov 29th, 2007 12:17:36 PM
And the whole fucking point of T2 is the Millennium Falcon. You better go apologize to Lord Vader.
Thall_Joben neither do I by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 12:18:30 PM
I think he's the greatest action director that ever lived. Go back and watch Aliens, I doubt Speilberg or Kurosawa could have framed it better.
lol I Dunno by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 12:24:57 PM
I lol'd hard.
Kurosawa by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 12:26:08 PM
Oh dear. Much as I absolutely love it Aliens was just a derivative war movie sequel of Alien, with a lot less class and originality (I hear ticking) - not that this makes it bad, just not the greatest movie ever made. Kurosawa never made a movie that ended like the Abyss..
Nah the Aliens theatrical cut is the best by theyreflockingthisway	Nov 29th, 2007 12:28:49 PM
I do like the director's cut (sentry guns and extra Hudson dialogue is great) but the main problem with it is takes away the mystery of going back to the planet. After just seeing the first film we know nothing of alien other than a few small glimpses. Not seeing what has happened on the planet when Ripley and the marines go back make it so much more eerie. Where has everyone gone? Are the people still alive somewhere? Is it the alien or something else? Did the space jockeys come back? However stick in that opening scene with Newt's family where they discover the face hugger and it kind of changes all that to a "here we go again" moment, killing all the pre-alien fight mystery.
Thall_Joben thats because Kurosawa was the by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 12:31:22 PM
better filmmaker. Cameron is the best at framing his action, in all of his movies I am never confused by a blurry visual or a quick cut as to the detriment of the scene unlike Bay and even a good director like Ridley Scott.
Looks like a Female Drow. by Dragulf	Nov 29th, 2007 12:32:25 PM
Am I a D+D nerd? What? Drizzt is cool!
theyreflockingthisway by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 12:33:56 PM
Thats an excellent point plus the theatrical cut has the line from Hudson mysteriously absent from the directors cut as the pressure door closes. "Come on baby, hurry uuup, come oown."
Did Clive Barker get drunk again? by Loosejerk	Nov 29th, 2007 12:34:41 PM
would like some originality.
Anyhooo gotta go by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Nov 29th, 2007 12:34:46 PM
Cameron Rules WHOOOOOOOOOO
That was my only real problem with Aliens by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 12:40:20 PM
We went from an environment in Alien where you felt that encountering a dangerous ET was something completely out of the ordinary, to suddenly being in a universe where intergalactic marines are taking part in bughunts all over the place. Huh? Great action director and a cool movie, I can't argue with that - I just felt that the reality that Ridley built was diminished. Ridley out classes him by a mile.
siejin suzuki pwns your asses! by ironic_name	Nov 29th, 2007 12:47:35 PM
HE is the best.
LOOK AT THE ABS ON THAT BROAD! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 29th, 2007 12:48:11 PM
I love alien chicks that look like they stay in shape via John Basedow.
I have a soft spot for sentry guns, and by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 12:48:38 PM
I don't care for the Hudson missing line (never noticed it in fact). Now, the whole Weiland-Yutani colony scene seems to bug a lot of people, and I never understood why. By showing the everyday life in the colony before the shutdown, Cameron reinforces the bond between Newt and Ripley, manages to shoot a shit-in-your-pants sequence, brings some fresh air to his first act (too Ripley centered to my own taste in the theatrical cut) and reinforces the suspense precisely because we saw what it looked like before the shit hit the fan. All this in less than 10 minutes. Oh, and did I mention the motherfuckin sentry guns?
NEEEEEERRRRRRRRRDDDDSSSSSSS!!! by Randfilms	Nov 29th, 2007 12:56:52 PM

"Name Me One" --Mr. Jones by Lerkst	Nov 29th, 2007 12:57:32 PM
you asked to name you one action director better (i believe I have that right). Fair enough; Ridley Scott. The obvious choice would be Blade Runner, but it's his recent films that make him. Black Hawk Down is the finest war film ever shot; and he doesn't use the hyper editing, or anything of the things you bring up. I agree with all your points, but Sir Ridley is #1. Jimmy is right up there though, believe me.
Good point Nosferatu by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 01:04:48 PM
Maybe I would - I just prefer the first movie, I know it's a personal choice. He has stood on the shoulders of giants, not that there's nothing wrong with that, or that anyone should hold it against him. I just think he's not the flawless master some folks round here would have us all believe.
Black Hawk Down does have great setpieces by Lovecraftfan	Nov 29th, 2007 01:26:53 PM
But its story and its paper thin characters are barely developed. A bit overrated.
Black Hawk Down kicks ass visually by SpencerTrilby	Nov 29th, 2007 01:35:25 PM
and thank god Bana and Isaacs save the day, character-wise. Gotta agree with Nosferatu on Gladiator. Visually overrated, and thematically all over the place. Haven't seen Kingdom of Heaven solely because of the historical BS of Gladiator (kinda like Cameron's doc about our bud Jesus), however many say that KoH director's cut is brilliant so I gotta give it a try someday.
It only makes perfect sense that an alien would by Ingeld	Nov 29th, 2007 01:40:25 PM
have a body form that would appeal to the erotic fantasies of young men. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations as long as the final combination has sex appeal to a large ticket buying demographic.
I love reading scripts of films I haven't seen... by 3 Bag Enema	Nov 29th, 2007 01:44:30 PM
...because then I get to direct them in my head, and see if the actual director does it better. Alien Resurrection? I did it way better. Being John Malkovich? Jones did it better. I read the Avatar scriptment, and I designed the aliens in my mind, assuming the King of the World would do it better. If the above is the final design - he didn't. Nice tits, though. (On the alien, not Cameron.)
That's what they looked like in the scriptment. by I Hope You Die	Nov 29th, 2007 01:56:48 PM
Pretty sure the whole planet was bioluminescent to some degree. And they were tall humanoids with tails. The "hair" isn't hair but (POSSIBLE SPOILER) a neural interface that allows the whole planet to communicate in one harmonious hippy eco love-in (that's the films "message"; set eyes to roll). I seem to remember their knees pointing in the other direction though. Maybe he saw how freaky that was in the Charlie Sheen classic THE ARRIVAL and took it out.
Looks too Beowulfy by skimn	Nov 29th, 2007 02:16:12 PM
Theres an alien I'd like to make jugg-jugg with.
I heard this hilarious Cameron story by Kurzinski Valentine	Nov 29th, 2007 02:19:12 PM
where a sculptor spent like a month designing and sculpting something for either AVATAR or BATTLE ANGEL and Cameron looked at it, flew into a rage, picked it up, smashed it on the ground into a thousand pieces and stormed out of the room. HAHA!
..or was it.. by skimn	Nov 29th, 2007 02:19:19 PM
zugg-zugg..Its what the Amazons wanted to do to Fry and Branigann.
Why are aliens always naked? by -guyinthebackrow	Nov 29th, 2007 02:23:18 PM
Don't they get cold?
Hmm by EdtheGent	Nov 29th, 2007 02:24:52 PM
I saw that same design on the side of a van back in '78.
If you think Cameron is overrated by ClockWorker	Nov 29th, 2007 02:29:09 PM
then just kill yourself because the guy has one of the best track records ever. It blows my mind how you losers can talk shit about T2 seeing as how it changed the framework of digital technology in film. To call T2 DATED is one of the stupidest things you can do seeing is how its one of the only perfectly blended films when it comes to practical and digital effects, thats like calling JAWS dated, if you wanna see a dated movie look at anything made a few years after T2 like JUMANJI or some shit (just an example of dated digital effects). I mean compared to the thousands of action films that I've seen camerons work is pretty fucking good, hate on the people who have made no artistic contribution, dont hate on iron jim. You call yourselves geeks but your really just bitchy little pussies who think your qualified to judge great work when you know absolutely nothing about filmmaking. If you had any idea what its like to make a film you would realize what an accomplishment that movie is. Get a fucking clue and think before u type.
BTW BLACK HAWK DOWN was fucking LAME by ClockWorker	Nov 29th, 2007 02:37:41 PM
if a movie geek is someone who complains about good movies then I'm glad I'm not one of them. You guys really got alotta balls. especially in your mouths.
They're always naked so we can see their vastly by Kurzinski Valentine	Nov 29th, 2007 02:38:30 PM
different physiology. Oh wait.
Baah. by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 02:42:06 PM
Sounds like we got another sheep hereabouts. Cockworker indeed.
You just have no respect by ClockWorker	Nov 29th, 2007 02:52:39 PM
and I dont understand that
theyreflockingthisway by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 02:54:34 PM
All excellent points on the ALIENS extended cut. Saves me from having to type it.
Respect by Thall_Joben	Nov 29th, 2007 02:58:24 PM
Not true - I do have respect for him some of the time. I think he's often shown himself to be an undeniably skilled filmmaker. It's just this "Iron Jim" thing. Don't you hate it when folks make an asset out of someone behaving like an asshole? Many of his movies rock, some don't, No one needs to be 'qualified' just to have an opinion, I'm sure you don't seriously think we should all share yours? Plenty of directors make great films without acting like a sulky, bad tempered arrogant dickhead.
I always thought "iron jim" by ClockWorker	Nov 29th, 2007 03:14:21 PM
meant that his movies were consistently good, and no not everyone should share my opinion. But when one is voicing theirs they should have good reasoning. I'm sure the people who have worked with him hate him and that sucks because it doesn't have to be that way, directors should treat their cast and crew the way they wanna be treated.
asshole directors piss me off by ClockWorker	Nov 29th, 2007 03:15:56 PM
but I still like good movies
I'm glad others think the same by theyreflockingthisway	Nov 29th, 2007 03:23:23 PM
I thought I was alone with a preference of the theatrical version of Aliens over the director's cut so good to see other people agreeing. SpencerTrilby - it's not a dislike for the scene, it is interesting, but it's out of place in the movie. So far we've only followed Ripley (and will continue to do for the rest of the series) but here's this one scene which whisks you off to a world many light years away to some characters we've never met. I find Newt's introduction better in the theatrical version as you see her first as scared malnourished survivor. Ripley (and the viewer having never seen Newt either) then discovers who she really is throughout the film as the bond is created and she begins to trust Ripley.
Coming in.... by Uncle Salty Walt	Nov 29th, 2007 03:41:46 PM
Just joining. (This is a test)
Another leaked image by Shaw	Nov 29th, 2007 03:43:56 PM
http://www.queencheetah.com/Th undercubs/bengali3.jpg
T2 dated??? Gimme a break... by Lord_Soth	Nov 29th, 2007 04:03:27 PM
The special effects of T2 are still holding up! Why? The guys who worked on them had to explore new areas and stuff, because none of those technics really existed before. Unlike now, when making a new cgi film is just another fukkin' boring Maya job for any competent 3d artist. Also I agree with the Aliens theatrical cut being the best. Not only that, but if I had to recommend the Alien saga to someone, I would advise to watch it in the order Aliens, Alien, Aliens SE (and stop there).
Snoriffic...like the movie by Hugh G Rekshun	Nov 29th, 2007 04:12:27 PM
Gay^10...I wonder if she'll stand at the bow of an alien spaceship with her equally gay-looking boyfriend as he shouts, "I'm the king of the universe".
looks okay. not "amazing" by finky089	Nov 29th, 2007 04:47:44 PM
but I'll wait until I see what it's context is when I see the movie before I judge much. I'm staying away from plot spoilers on this one now, so just the alien itself means very little to me.
Speaking of Aliens and Beowulf by Ingeld	Nov 29th, 2007 04:55:39 PM
Since both have been mentioned here, I would like to say that the first two Alien movies are my favorite Beowulf movies--and I have seen the latest. Alien(s) a Beowulf movie? How can that be you say? First movie--first part of the poem--an unseen monster enters the safe home of a small group. It attacks and eats the people it finds there. It comes from Kane/Cain. It's blood is acid and melts iron. The hero defeats it while practically naked. Aliens--the hero with a group of warriors set out to defeat the monster. The hero, now encased in armor, descends to the lair of the mother of the monster and defeats her. While the new movie has the names correctly, these two movies capture more the spirit of the poem.
"ALIENS FUCKING SUCKS." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 29th, 2007 05:09:24 PM
Who is this "RodHolt" person who speaks such cinematic blasphemy? "tough guy marine bullshit"? "a Michael Bay movie"?! "the alien design itself is the worst of the series"? "that Jew Paul Reiser"?! What a fucking loon. Unbelievable.
Human Looking? by Rikarus	Nov 29th, 2007 05:32:50 PM
Why do they always gotta look human, hell we had fucking tails once BFD, and she aint got nipples!
I can't believe someone mentioned THE ARRIVAL by Kurzinski Valentine	Nov 29th, 2007 05:44:10 PM
How could I ever forget that movie? I need to re-rent it and experience the adventure one last time.
Ingeld -- on Beowulf and Alien(s) by systemsbroom	Nov 29th, 2007 06:22:48 PM
I really think that you are stretching there. Alien is far more of a freudian nightmare than a story in common with Beowulf. Beowulf is more concerned with the passage of time and with the germanic pre-christian concepts of the decay of order into chaos. You should take a gander at Tolkien's "Beowulf: the Monsters and the Critics"--it's interesting for a variety of reasons.
To Conceptual Artist who will be reading these reviews. by JustyHakubi	Nov 29th, 2007 06:26:41 PM
Like we don't know when you guys pull shit like this. A photo is "leaked" or "stolen" then quickly disappears... yeah we know. It's OK we don't mind not being paid yet being part of a focus group. Anyway, my opinion, I think that the initial design is nice, keep the tail, she needs hair though the whole Persis, Sineid, Britney, look is out, she also looks pissed off like she knows that geeks are gettin jiggly looking at her in the buff. Overall, if you can make her convey emotion then she'll do just fine.
Ingeld -- but I agree by systemsbroom	Nov 29th, 2007 06:28:03 PM
the new Beowulf movie is really a bastardization of the poem.
This looks AVATARDED! by Kurzinski Valentine	Nov 29th, 2007 06:29:32 PM
See what I did there?
Who Gives A Shit, Wheres BATTLE ANGEL ALITA?!?! by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 06:30:36 PM
Cameron, please, lets get back to the things people actually care about okay? Start funding the anime live-actioners and make em good. Nobody gives a crap about Avatar. We've all seen Tron and The Matrix. Please. Get with the real projects. Please? Thanks.
I'm a conceptual artist... by alienindisguise	Nov 29th, 2007 06:35:13 PM
and I would've at least made her boobs even..sheesh!
"That was a bad call Ripley,bad call" by I Dunno	Nov 29th, 2007 06:42:37 PM
I don't really have anything more to say. I just use that line at every opportunity and this is one of the only places where anyone would actually get it. Carry on.
"It was a bad call Ripley, a bad call" by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 06:44:50 PM
"A bad call? THESE PEOPLE ARE DEAD BURKE! I hope they nail your head right to th wall for this. Right to the wall."
People criticising T2 by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 29th, 2007 06:55:55 PM
That low angle shot right on the ground speeding along behind Furlong on the bike in the LA canals chase sequence? That one shot is better than every action movie made since put together. Pulse pounding excitement is generated by writing an exciting sequence, filming it in an original and visually interesting way and cutting it together so that you forget to breath for a few minutes. Cameron is the master of this. There is nobody else who can touch him when it comes to sci-fi action, nobody. So you guys crying about T2, go take your copies of all the blockbusters made since, you know, real high quality efforts like Bad Boys 2, Spiderman 3 and the Pirates of the Caribbean films and gorge on the cinematic artistry to be found there. Those of us who actually have a fucking clue about cinema will discuss Avatar in the meantime.
Not To Quibble With You Mr. Atreidies (aka kwisatzhhaderach) by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 07:03:58 PM
But NONE of the action seqeuences of T2 even come close to the action cinematography of CHILDREN OF MEN. Talk about pulsepounding, rip yr heart our insanity. Of course, we could also reach back and point out how THE FRENCH CONNECTION's car chase under the el pwns T2, and the similarly insane action direction in Mad Max 1 and 2, but, why go there? T2 is okay. I hated it when it came out (the Terminator is a good guy now? He's a father figure? Dear god.), but like it more now. But, and sorry to say this, but, the action sequences in T3 -- especially the insanely stupidly awesome Crane Chase also pwns T2s action sequences. Not to say that T2 doesn't have its moments, but it pales in comparison to all the flicks I've mentioned above. And at least T3 new it was funny. T2 wants to be grim and serious so bad its untintentionally hilarious. (Although I always liked how over-the-top Sarah's apocalypse dreams were.)
RodHolt, you're an idiot. by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 07:04:44 PM
Well, maybe you're not an idiot, I don't know, but your posts are definitely idiotic. The "tough guy marine bullshit" is meant to set up just how formidable the aliens really are. The Colonial Marines go in thinking and talking like they are going to kick ass, and then they get their asses handed to them. Maybe you weren't paying attention.
ALIENS Is Easily Cameron's Best Flix by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 07:07:37 PM
Certainly in the topten best sci-fi actioners EVAR. It still holds up too, dated efx and all, its just a great movie.
Cameron Called ALIENS His "Vietnam Movie" by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 07:10:38 PM
"Tough guy marine bullshit," indeed. That was the point -- American style imperial arrogance coming up against an insanely tough entrenched native force, and getting pwned. I believe theres a similar event going on now... Starship Troopers being a retroactive spin on that...
Give us BATTLE ANGEL but with Schwarzenegger by ABking	Nov 29th, 2007 07:12:11 PM
I think Arnold needs to be apart of BATTLE ANGEL. After T2:3D being their last team up effort, Arnie and Jim need a new franchise together. Ido would be a great character for Arnie to do for three movies with Cameron.
LaserPants, are you kidding? by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 07:13:07 PM
CHILDREN OF MEN has better action than TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY? Sorry fanboy, but CoM is not going to have the cult following that so many think it will. It's a good movie, maybe even a great movie, but it is not a classic. T2 is a classic. We'll still be discussing T2 on this geek website in 50 years, guaranteed.
Too humanoid looking by dirtsandwich	Nov 29th, 2007 07:16:58 PM
what's the purpose of the tail other then, "Add a tail, it would look cool." Does it climb around in trees? Does it use for balance? Does it use to aid in it's comfort, swatting bugs away? WTF! "Oh, and only give it 3 fingers and a thumb, and only four toes. That should look alien enough." If this is a female avatar then fine it's not to bad. But if it's the alien that lives on the planet then it's far fetched. No species is gonna look that close to us without some type of interaction. Why not do something original like put her vagina on her face. It makes just as much sense as most Hollywood aliens. Please don't fuck this project up.
Not Kidding! by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 07:18:09 PM
I don't doubt that T2 will still be talked about 50 years from now, but CoM will as well. CoM is also a better film. And dude, seriously, that last 20 minutes? Tell me that wasn't one of the best, if not THE best extended action sequence you've ever seen. It was practically a documentary; like as if you were running though the ruins filming it yourself. NOTHING in T2 can even touch that.
The BOURNE Trilogy As Well by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 07:19:39 PM
As a modern actioner? Pwns T2. Utterly.
ABKing by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 07:21:16 PM
Go. The. Fuck. Away. You ruin every James Cameron talkback with your homoerotic Arnold Schwarzenegger fixation.
Cut Cameron some slack! by darthchase	Nov 29th, 2007 07:23:09 PM
I dare any of you haters to do what Cameron did with that final Queen/Power-Loader battle, using the technology of the time (early 80s). I mean, you watch that and it's fucking FLAWLESS!! Cameron is a GOD among men when it comes to directing. Watch the resuscitation scene in The Abyss. It breaks my heart every time. And NO OTHER DIRECTOR could EVER have done what Cameron did with Titanic. Even by today's standards, once the iceberg hits, that film kicks ass. The design above is a tad lame, but I am giving JC the benefit of the doubt. HE'S EARNED IT! I totally believe that in may 2009, Cameron is gonna have his cinematic cock in my ass.
The last 20 minutes of CHILDREN OF MEN? by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 07:24:19 PM
That documentary style is EXACTLY why it's not a great action scene. Anyone can do documentary style. I'm not saying it's not well done, it's just not great filmmaking.
The T2 Folly? by Ace of Wands	Nov 29th, 2007 07:35:49 PM
mrbong could have a valid point when he says "the film ceased to be a "proper" Terminator film, however, with the "i swear i will not kill anybody", or if you will "i svear i vil nat kill anyvody" moment." except for the little matter that Arnie is not the Terminator in T2, Sarah Connor is: check out the music cues and the way she strides implacably across the lawn from the pool at Dyson's house. In fact neither T1 or T2 is actually about the terminator, both are about Sarah Connor.Both films are her story. In the first one she has to learn how to become a warrior to face the oncoming storm and in the second one she has to learn how to regain her humanity- listen to that last line again. And, as others have mentioned here, Cameron may not be the greatest director ever- extant or non extant- but he has to be one of the greatest Action directors ever ( my personal favourite is Howard Hawkes) and builds his scenes clearly and with an emotional content that is missing from many of today's action films ( I'll give the Bourne's an honourable pass mark), so that you actually care about what his characters are going through and there is always some depth to his films whereas so many today are simply surface thrills, all very enjoyable but you can eat two or three at a time where as a Cameron film is singularly satisfying. Thall-Joben also made the point, regarding Aliens, that "We went from an environment in Alien where you felt that encountering a dangerous ET was something completely out of the ordinary, to suddenly being in a universe where intergalactic marines are taking part in bughunts all over the place. Huh?". But, if I recall correctly, Aliens takes place fifty years after the events in Alien- so not quite so suddenly and as illogical as thought. As for the box office takings of Titanic being compared to the fluff that's in the pop charts: that wasn't a lot of people buying a record once, it was a lot of people going to see the film again and again and again so I would suggest that it probably had something going for it. I'd also like to point out that Cameron invariably ( in its true sense) has very strong female characters in his films and I'd say that was pretty unique amongst macho male action film directors. In short I'd say that Avatar may tank at the box office the way that The Abyss did and I won't care if he delivers a film of that calibre or it will have gangbusters ticket sales like T2 and I still won't care if it is a film of that calibre. Come on.It's Cameron, Semper Fi!.
Its A Matter Of Taste Then by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 07:36:11 PM
I'm sorry, but the cinema-veritie style of CoM is infinitely more exciting to me than the ludicrous super fakey T2 thang. Anybody can make that with enough money. Something like CoM, or Mad Max, or the French Connection was all grit and and insane level of skill, talent, prowess. T2 is just a reflection of the dollars behind it. Which still works on its own merits, sure, but feels to ersatz for me to be wowed.
Money can only do so much... by Ace of Wands	Nov 29th, 2007 07:53:47 PM
Laserpants, I too loved CoM, particularly that brilliant extended sequence near the end without a camera cut in sight and the motorcycle attack on the convoy which was startling in its suddenness and realism and was seriously shirked at the Oscars, I know: but I still have to say that I find T2 more thrilling and emotionally compelling, even watching it on home DVD compared to CoM at the cinema. And it's not just about the director having loads and loads of money. If that was true then every film made would be to the standard of T2 or CoM- there's nothing the suits like more than throwing money at a project ( for good returns of course) because they value that over skill and talent anytime. By the way, earlier somebody rated Ridley Scott as a great action director ( he isn't but he is a good director and has great visual sense) and said that his Blackhawk Down was the greatest war movie ever. Not while The Thin Red Line is in existence it isn't.
Laserpants by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 07:54:00 PM
Why do you keep comparing the action in CHILDREN OF MEN with THE FRENCH CONNECTION and MAD MAX/THE ROAD WARRIOR? Yes, CoM has that cinema verite style which is just having a camera follow the action. That isn't great direction. T2, THE FRENCH CONNECTION, and MAD MAX/THE ROAD WARRIOR have the mise-en-scene that makes a great action set-piece. Specific shots in a specific order, not just a camera there in the middle of the action. And yes, I think everyone here can agree that the action in the BOURNE films is fucking awesome.
And another thing Laserpants. by one9deuce	Nov 29th, 2007 07:59:26 PM
You think that money has ANYthing to do with great filmmaking? In a word: No. James Cameron made THE TERMINATOR with 6.5 million, SPIDER-MAN 3 cost 250 million. THE TERMINATOR is a masterpiece and one of the greatest action films AND one of the greatest sci-fi films ever made. SPIDER-MAN 3 is horrible.
re:Systembroom by Ingeld	Nov 29th, 2007 08:05:42 PM
Though Tolkien's 1936 lecture/article changed the course of Beowulf criticism a great deal has been written on the poem since then. I did not mean to imply in my post that Alien(s) was in any way a sci-fi adaptation of the layered themes of the Anglo-Saxon poem. I only meant to suggest that it parallelled the basic narrative motifs of the epic and unlike the recent film, it allowed the hero to be a hero--and still retain a great deal of psychological depth. That alone makes it closer to the original poem than the Faustian Beowulf that Zemeckis and Gaiman have served us.
How Is It Not Great Direction? by LaserPants	Nov 29th, 2007 08:06:24 PM
Wait, wait, wait, you think CoM wasn't meticulously blocked out, sequenced, edited? to a ludicrously precise degree? The kind of precision that would make Kubrick weep with envy? CoM is HARDLY just "a camera placed in the middle of the action." T2, on the other hand, is really very pedestrian and uncraftmanlike -- point camera at explosion. Boom. Not very exciting. Not what what I would call great filmmaking. You know what T2 let loose upon the world? Michael Bay. Thats what T2 feels like to me -- a Michael Bay movie.
Alien versus Aliens by systemsbroom	Nov 29th, 2007 08:07:34 PM
I'll warrant that the two are different films, but I have to agree with Thall-Joben that the universe in Aliens feels different than the one in Alien, and that there is a diminishment between the two. Alien is an intensely psychological film, where everything encountered by the main characters is progressively more and more wrong: that there's non-human technology out there, that the derelect is so big and creepy, that its pilot is huge and fused, that there are things still alive, that they attach to your face, that they impregnate and kill you, that the little chittering monster gets huge and has no eyes, that you can't kill it, etc. Each revelation is shock and horror, because it doesn't seem possible. Aliens, on the other hand, is a much more conventional--albeit very well done--nailbiter of an action flick. More fun to watch, but not as smart nor as impactful as its predecessor.
aliens by Turingtestee	Nov 29th, 2007 08:13:05 PM
I want to remember reading Fangoria shortly before Aliens came out and seeing a picture of Ripley beside a Burke. Now I thought that the scene was going to be an omage to the scene cut from the original Alien (that was restored in recent cut) of Ripley discovering Dallas and . . . crap . . . whats his name . . . they are cocooned, and she burns them and blah, blah, blah. Anyway was there a scene even filmed where Ripley encounters Burke? Or am mistaken?
Oops, a cocooned Burke by Turingtestee	Nov 29th, 2007 08:14:18 PM
my bad.
Sorry, a third by Turingtestee	Nov 29th, 2007 08:17:59 PM
Maybe the Beowulf/Aliens thing is just a reflection of the idea that Beowulf is one of the archetypes of the 'monster story'.
Ingeld by systemsbroom	Nov 29th, 2007 08:32:04 PM
My apologies; I think I misjudged both you and your post. I am, of course, aware that the Tolkien lecture is a bit dated (and it rather embarrassingly overlooks the third monster in the poem), but it's a good starting place for understanding Beowulf. Sounds like you are far ahead of me--I'm more of a modernist when it comes to literary studies. Haven't seen (and undoubtedly won't see) the Zemeckis Beowulf; the poster art with the castle was enough to make me suspect the filmmakers really didn't know or care much more about the story than that it had monsters, fighting, and a marketable pedigree.
Alien is sci-fi horror, by ClockWorker	Nov 29th, 2007 08:36:39 PM
Aliens is sci-fi action. It's as simple as that.
re: systemsbroom by Ingeld	Nov 29th, 2007 10:16:08 PM
Please don't apologize. I didn't mean to intend for the tone of my post to have any kind of defensive edge. As someone who loves the original poem, I am thrilled that anybody has actually read it, let alone any of the literary criticism of it--and if you are going to read criticism of it few write as well as Tolkien. His love for the poem is infectious.
Mr. Lovecraft/Mr. Jones. by Lerkst	Nov 29th, 2007 10:19:48 PM
I would wager that Sir Ridley's most accomplished film---because it's different, might be American Gangster. See, THIS is where i'd like to see Mr. Cameron venture...I've said for years that he is the best visual and set director (among many other things) since Sir Ridley. He proved this too me with Aliens---the sequel to Sir Ridley's film. There are haters on this talkbalk, and I don't understand alot of beefs; we are talking about Mr. Cameron as a filmaker. Not his films necessarily. Mr. Jones, your point about his track record...the end to all arguements RIGHT there. Even mine about Sir Ridley. I mean, did anyone actually SEE Hannibal rolls on floor howling
Ingeld by systemsbroom	Nov 30th, 2007 12:33:44 AM
I thank you for your civility and erudition. You, sir/madam, have restored my faith in the internets. I have actually read a bit more criticism of Beowulf than Tolkien's--a few years back I picked up a norton critical edition that had a pretty well-stocked appendix. But Tolkien's really stood out. I assume you've read Gardner's Grendel novella; I wish we'd get more adaptations of the poem like that, rather than cgi mocap experiments.
tron + abyss = this alien by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 30th, 2007 02:12:43 AM

Colonist scene in special edition doesn't spoil anything... by Lutz	Nov 30th, 2007 03:02:18 AM
You know the aliens are responsible. It is an alien movie who else would it be? And it doesn't really ruin it because it only really shows them discover the aliens. They might still be alive. We don't know they are dead until the maines go and look for them. I remember I saw Aliens for the first time when

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