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by BrightEyes
Jun 26th, 2008
11:04:24 PM
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Dark Knight is gonna OWN!!!!!
by BrightEyes
Jun 26th, 2008
11:05:03 PM
LONG LIVE LEDGER.
hmm..
by whatyoufear
Jun 26th, 2008
11:13:11 PM
zzzz zzzz z z z z zzzzz z z zzzzz zz
Interesting
by CarmillaVonDoom
Jun 26th, 2008
11:13:44 PM
Wow Harry, I'm surprised that the suits are letting this story get posted this early on, there is a lot of detail here. Fuck anyone who says that you guys don't hunt down scoops anymore! ☺
Only A Few Talkbacks So Far...
by Leto III
Jun 26th, 2008
11:14:00 PM
...Hunh. Color me intrigued, either way. If Abrams can make this work...look out.
Lost Me @ Never Cared For Enterprise or Voyager
by quantize
Jun 26th, 2008
11:16:27 PM
Harry, you just have no fuckin taste.
I really hope this is good
by rogueleader66
Jun 26th, 2008
11:18:04 PM
I hated ST:Generations, loved First Contact, Insurrection was ok, and was dissapointed with Nemesis. JJ is treading on dangerous ground, and I am sure he knows that, so he must take great care with how he handles this. It is either gonna be great, or will just utterly destroy Trek as we know it. I hope it's gonna be great. The characters are the key, and it is not so much that they look like the characters, they MUST act like the characters we know and love, that is the key to this movie being great or sucking bad.
PS Cloverfield blowjobs again Harry?
by quantize
Jun 26th, 2008
11:21:22 PM
ZERO cred
That space shot sounds awesome
by Bob of the Shire
Jun 26th, 2008
11:21:34 PM
That's the kind of thing that's got me interested in this reboot. A realistic look at humanities first steps into the galaxy. I'm not a big fan of any of the older Star Trek stuff but if JJ can capture the wonder of exploring space then he'll easily make over $400 million.
Totally lame.
by Frankenblogger
Jun 26th, 2008
11:22:41 PM
Sorry. This is going to suck. Big time.
i casually watched Enterprise
by T 1000 xp professional
Jun 26th, 2008
11:27:19 PM
then again I was 10 or 9 tops... This sounds cool, I'm all for this.
Pondscum
by HEADGEEK
Jun 26th, 2008
11:29:26 PM
No. Didn't see Klingons. Aren't we supposed to see Romulans? That was the rumor according to Moriarty. But I didn't read that cuz Drew posts massive spoilers and I was concerned. But I thought Romulans were the bad guys. Ultimately - we know the main baddie is Eric Bana though - and no - I didn't see any of that. And I got zero sense of plot or story. Just a sense of scale and tone. But that got me curious.
Now THIS is why I come to this site several times a day
by GoDFaDDa42
Jun 26th, 2008
11:33:46 PM
Can you say anything more about the actors? Even if they're not there yet in this scene, do they all "fit" in your mind's eye into their eventual roles? Or does anyone seem like a bad cast, from the bit you saw?
If there's no horta, I'm not interested.
by Uncle Stan
Jun 26th, 2008
11:42:00 PM
GoDFaDDa42
by HEADGEEK
Jun 26th, 2008
11:42:46 PM
Honestly - what I saw was a quick scene with little vignettes of character flourishes. Everything in motion - but each character beat felt in tune with what we know. My two greatest concerns cast wise were Cho and Pine prior to seeing them - and Pine was quite good and Cho - looked very appropriate sitting at his station on the Enterprise in a classic Trek uniform. He had, I think - one line delivered in a serious tone - and I thought SULU. So that worked. There wasn't anything that felt wrong in the least, but it was strange... cuz it all looked big. The Enterprise looks huge, both on the outside and on the inside. Not spacey, but it felt like if you had to walk the length of the enterprise you'd hope there were a couple of bench spots to rest.
Trailer?
by MichaelCorleone
Jun 26th, 2008
11:45:17 PM
Harry, any idea when we might see a new trailer with some new footage? I'm taking a wild guess and saying Christmas? Sounds good though. The mental picture you conjure up of the bridge has me stoked.
::thumbs up::
by DigitalBeachWar
Jun 26th, 2008
11:47:31 PM
Very cool. This will be a classic I am sure.
DS9
by LegoKenobi
Jun 26th, 2008
11:47:58 PM
RULED. i can't believe you'd write it off so easily, harry. in my opinion, that was the pinnacle of star trek TV series. by the time that wrapped up, i cared about every single major character, knew all the arcs for each one... i was devastated when that series ended. TNG had some incredible, beautiful moments and inspired storytelling, but the series overall didn't pack nearly the punch that DS9 did. just my 2 bars of latinum.
Harry's last paragraph sold me
by dead youngling
Jun 26th, 2008
11:53:46 PM
As someone who looks at the stars and asks, "What if?", this is what most interests me. Is it possible to see some sort of "star trek" in the actual sense of those words in my lifetime?
Thanks Harry!!!
by darquelyte
Jun 26th, 2008
11:54:55 PM
I think this is the first thing that I've read that had to do with the new film. If Mori posted spoilers, then I'd have passed on it. Thanks so much Harry! Too bad he didn't give you a photo of, well, ANYTHING that you could post here, but thanks for this nonetheless. Also, I just submitted my first ever review of a film and sent it to Quint, as I wasn't sure where to send it.
Re: the uniforms
by xavier masterson
Jun 26th, 2008
11:56:53 PM
When you say classic trek uniforms, do you mean the original series or the uniforms that were introduced in Wrath of Khan? Apply that same question to the bridge, a redesign but same aesthetics of TOS Enterprise or a variation of what we saw in the film series?
Dammit Harry, I'm a doctor not an interpreter!!
by singlewhitestar
Jun 26th, 2008
11:57:44 PM
Actually, I am a medical student, so dammit Harry, don't push yourself like this again, even for a scoop like this... Maybe I'm searching in your bits of information for what I want to see in this movie, and I'm unsatisfied as yet. Anything of old Spock in this? And you keep speaking of grandness, and improved techiness, but does it feel like cowboys in space? Is that you mean by it feels "real"?
But does it ROCK AND ROLL our heads?
by loserguy3000
Jun 27th, 2008
12:00:16 AM
I wonder how long it will take the growing world of bloggers and internet 'journalists' to realize that Hollywood (much like politics) has finally figured out a way to extract free advertising and generate enthusiasm on paltry budgets?

Not that I mind these 'guided tours' of the non-professionals, but anyone who's ever worked for or a near a blog or second/third-tier website during the past ten+ years knows the difference between a good review and a BLAZINGLY AWESOME FUCKING YEAH-YO!!! piece can be settled with a few phone calls and a XXL t-shirt.

Good stuff can and does come from this brave new world, but sometimes I long for a period in which the crisscrosses of friends, associates, those 'in the know' and personal relationships that go way past formal aren't the impetus of the business. Read Harry's review of Hellyboy 2 and you'll see what I mean... how many times does he mention del Toro's name? Can we forget the relationship these two have? Shouldn't Harry exclude himself, - in all fairness - from having an official say about that? When did it become OK for someone to claim they're a journalist, receive the swaggy perks of one, yet not follow the basic tenets of being one?

I read a quote for an upcoming videogame the other day (I swear) that quoted a talkbacker from a news story the site did. A TALKBACKER... are they the new WKRQ Radio in Mississippi now?

Anyway, as a fan of the original and Next Generation shows and 'most' of the movies, I can see why they'd want to re-boot this, but can't possibly see this working. Every single time I watch Boston Legal and see the Shat in action, I can't help but feel his entire career vindicated by his sheer awesomness as Denny Crane. The man's a treasure, and despite putting the latest hot thing in Starfleet tights and calling him Kirk, I think even a public who gave up on Trek long ago can see through that.

I want this to be good - hell, I want everything I'm paying for to be good - but inside there's a sick little feeling that I can't ignore, like finding out the girl of your dreams is really your long, lost sister. I saw that happen in an episode of Nip/Tuck, which is usually 99% original. Something I wish this Trek could have been.
...a couple of bench spots to rest.
by Thrillho77
Jun 27th, 2008
12:01:20 AM
So, by your standards, the Enterprise is 20 feet long, Harry? ;) I kid, you big goofball! We're proud of the progress you've made! How do you measure up these days?
NEVER SEEN ANYTHING STAR TREK RELATED
by THE KNIGHT
Jun 27th, 2008
12:09:41 AM
But I liked MI3. Fuck it, I'm there.
If I don't give a fuck about Old Star Trek
by BrightEyes
Jun 27th, 2008
12:11:17 AM
Will I Like this?
DarkJediStoops can go FUCK himself
by darquelyte
Jun 27th, 2008
12:12:41 AM
For even thinking that HE can say anything bad about JJ Abrams. I keeed. I keeed. :-p
Trek 11 Spoiler
by preacherhunter
Jun 27th, 2008
12:15:10 AM
I have an associate who has worked behind the scenes on this film and he tells me that William Shatner is indeed involved in the production, but not to the extent that Nimoy is. Abrams, Burk, Kurtzman and Shatner met prior to the film and decided they would pull the wool over the fans eyes until the last possible minute.....a sort of reverse viral marketing.....but rest assured, despite his rantings, Shatner is in this film.

The other spoiler......so is Patrick Stweart as Picard in a cameo.

And fans will finally get some closure to the original big three......including DeForest Kelley's McCoy, though I'm not privy to how they accomplish this.
He's dead, Jim.
by O_Goncho
Jun 27th, 2008
12:15:35 AM
Bones was always my favorite character, and ever since the Two Towers I've man-crushed hard on Karl Urban (although his efforts since have mostly sucked a big one) but when I heard he would be playing McCoy I just couldn't see it. Not at all. So reading this has reassured me somewhat.
Great Harry! But...
by greenstyle92
Jun 27th, 2008
12:19:34 AM
I was expecting a ton of true Wall*e reviews to flow in at midnight. Is there any guarantee of yours and/or Moriarty's review coming in within the next 24 hours? I'm seeing it tomorrow morning at 11. Trying to squeeze it in before work.
HEADGEEK
by Damage_Inc
Jun 27th, 2008
12:20:14 AM
So why did it take you so long to share this with us? And why such cool news at such a late hour?
I love JJ
by XoanonTORN
Jun 27th, 2008
12:23:07 AM
Why the JJ hate DarkJediStoops?
Harry Bolzonnia
by Damage_Inc
Jun 27th, 2008
12:23:14 AM
Yeah, I also heard that is why it got pushed back til May. Is that true?
I happened to watch Star Trek VI the other day.
by greenstyle92
Jun 27th, 2008
12:28:27 AM
It's no one's favorite film, but I've always been fond of it. And it really was one final grand opportunity to see the old crew in action. And I got really nostalgic, and very sad at how many of them have died off already. Lord, Deforest Kelly really is gone from this world, isn't he? That's fucking sad. And it made me scared as hell for this reboot. How the fuck can you recast the original crew? Who, in this day and age, can truly call upon the pure Ham necessary for kirk? Who can recapture the cranky yet witty and charming McCoy? and HOW THE HELL CAN YOU RECAST SPOCK!?!? I mean, I hope this thing is watchable, And I'd to cry STINO!!! but, I dunno...
they need to make sulu and chekov lovers
by bacci40
Jun 27th, 2008
12:29:12 AM
hey, if we is gonna fuck up continuity, lets fuck it up all the way
So, Pighart5000
by greenstyle92
Jun 27th, 2008
12:31:16 AM
Looks like you've decided on a repeated schtick to gain your attention. Common here, if a bit of a crutch. So, If you'll be pig fucked, I guess you're... receiving from a pig? How big can a pig's cock be really? I mean, I hope it never comes to this, but if I had to receive from an animal, I know I'd go for a horse. Maybe Goat if a horse isn't available...
BTW, Harry's right.
by Damage_Inc
Jun 27th, 2008
12:31:19 AM
STAR TREK: NEMESIS was ass. Has anyone heard of that formula thing of even and odd numbered ST sequels? Even numbered ones being good, odd numbered ones being not so good. Nemesis broke that chain.
Western in Space? ..Erm, no he didn't!
by CeejayNightwing
Jun 27th, 2008
12:31:54 AM
Roddenberry created Star Trek to be a Utopian view of what mankind can achieve in the future. The studio hated that and wanted fist fights, shoot-outs and women so he had to compromise his TV show to deliver something closer to a western in space, He hated that compromise which is why when they asked him to do TNG he agreed on the condition he gets to tell the stories his way, no weekly fist fight, no monster of the week, no babe of the week and no races entirely presented as evil beings the way the Klingons were short-changed. TNG took 3 years to find its feet but from season three to season 5, THAT was the vision of Gene Roddenberry at its finest and everything after that is simply a show using the name of Star Trek to further its own needs for the studio once again. Pretty much like this film will be with its ridiculous fan boy casting of Simon Pegg as Scotty. Ridiculous!
I forgot about chekov
by Damage_Inc
Jun 27th, 2008
12:36:11 AM
He is kind of forgettable. Harry, did you see/hear anything about that character?
400 Million Domestic?
by MasterBateman
Jun 27th, 2008
12:38:04 AM
I don't mean to be a dick, but you've got to be kidding me. You realize that none of the movies released this summer have made that much money so far. It saddens me to say this, but sci-fi just doesn't has the same pull that it used to. I'd be surprised if this makes 200 million. And if it does, I would consider that to be a huge success for a Star Trek movie. I think you know your numbers better than that, Harry.
Sorry, I can't read
by MasterBateman
Jun 27th, 2008
12:39:09 AM
400 million worldwide. I still think that's a little bit of a stretch, but yeah that's more realistic. I'll go crawl back into my hole now.
Star Trek = Wagon Train to the stars
by darquelyte
Jun 27th, 2008
12:43:27 AM
That's how Roddenberry pitched Star Trek. Yes, it did have a utopian view of humanity, but essentially Gene pitched it as a space version of the western tv series that had aired just a few years prior.
Cautiously ........interested........
by Aloy
Jun 27th, 2008
12:43:42 AM
...too soon for optimistic. Thanks for the peek.
Why this report is about a month after when I was there
by HEADGEEK
Jun 27th, 2008
12:46:12 AM
When I visited, it was a friendly visit and I wasn't supposed to write anything, he told me that later this year when he had something more tangible to show - he'd invite me back to show me more. BUT - apparently somewhere along the way JJ decided he wanted to see what I'd write, if I did write. Problem was for me - I didn't really see that much and what I did see was weeks ago.... and I've seen a lot of other stuff in the meanwhile. So for the past week I've been working up the report - thinking about it - talking with Yoko about what she remembered as well and finished up the report today. --- I'm dying to write about WOLFMAN but I'm on embargo on that till - I don't know when. But I've got interviews with Benicio, Hugo Weaving, Emily Blunt, Rick Baker, Joe Johnston, the production designer and much more. Luckily that's all audio files that I'm having my intern transcribe - so there will be no loss of info due to memory issues.
Give me a break...
by Shadow16nh
Jun 27th, 2008
12:51:11 AM
You saw Mission Impossible III, you've seen LOST, and if you were smart you enjoyed Cloverfield for what what it was, and didn't hate it for what it wasn't - it wasn't an ordinary disaster film, it was an exceptional, immersing one. JJ Abrams is talented and ambitious, Michael Giacchino is the next big film composer, and there's no reason for people to start moaning and groaning like this project is doomed to fail or to even be mediocre. I've been a huge Star Trek fan since I was a kid, and I have no doubt JJ Abrams is able to understand what Roddenberry intended Star Trek to be. I'm soooo pissed this film got pushed to May. The teaser trailer is perfect. I almost don't want to see anything else before then. But if that were really true, I would never visit this site. I'm as hopelessly addicted as the rest of you..
i won't hold my breath
by reckni
Jun 27th, 2008
01:00:12 AM
but i hope it's good... KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAN!!
Can't wait to see it!
by Maegnarval
Jun 27th, 2008
01:04:15 AM
Would be cool if the first full blown trailer was in front of the "Day the Earth Stood Still" Remake, but that's a 20th Century Fox movie.
Call me gullable
by Aphex Twin
Jun 27th, 2008
01:07:37 AM
I've seen every Trek in the theater since Star Trek III. I'll be there for this one too. Here's hopin' JJ can pull a fantastic film out of a fantastic franchise.
The script by Orci and Kurtzman is fantastic.
by The Gospel According to Bastardface
Jun 27th, 2008
01:08:06 AM
And I hated Transformers, but this just sings.
HARRY SAID: Roddenberry created STAR TREK to be a Western in Spa
by Red Dawn Don
Jun 27th, 2008
01:16:16 AM
"Roddenberry created STAR TREK to be a Western in Space." I thought that was how GENE RODDENBERRY sold the idea to the TV network SUITS. I think WAGON TRAIN was big at the time. STAR TREK as a WAGON TRAIN in space was his ploy. I think he really had a GRANDER VISION than WT. I like STAR TREK: ORIGINAL and the rest no so much. The first movie I always call THE HUNT FOR V'GER.
Hey Harry This whole Embargo deal?
by Series7
Jun 27th, 2008
01:21:13 AM
Won't you just throw their tea into the harbor? Anyways, should the ban be lifted for Wall-E, seeing that I just got back from a local screening. I wanna know what you thought of probably one of the most perfect movies ever. I saw it with a annoying crowd talking early on, some lady in front of me flashing some bright ass green laser to look into her purse for wrappers to crumble. But after 10 minutes of the movie I don't think anyone said a word. I think they were in aw.
JJ ain't no Robert Wise
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 27th, 2008
01:25:13 AM
or Nicholas Meyer. Star Trek is all about going forwards, not backwards. And recasting Kirk and co is just stupid. They should have got an entirely new crew, set it post-TNG and on a ship called the Enterprise. Boy, Berman really screwed Trek. If I was Roddenberry's son i'd have a hit on Berman and co organised.
Kurtzman and Orci
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 27th, 2008
01:26:42 AM
Hacks of the highest order. Can anybody here think of one memorable line of dialogue they've written?
TO BOLDY GO WHERE NO FRAT BOY HAS GONE BEFORE
by The Marquis de Side 3
Jun 27th, 2008
01:37:14 AM
HOW young is this cast?
re: Let Me Guess..
by Maegnarval
Jun 27th, 2008
01:38:14 AM
Phoenixmagi2, don't you mean muscle-bound 'roid freak these days?! ;)
Dear God
by shran
Jun 27th, 2008
01:45:51 AM
Please don't let this film be a stinking floater. I've really enjoyed Trek since the early 70's and having grown up in a sense with Kirk Spock and McCoy, it would be a lot of fun to sort of revisit those three and have some more adventures. It's the kind of thing that makes me feel like a kid again, the hope that this will be cool and the public at large will agree. But if it turns out to be way off base, I guess I'll still have all my DVD's. I sure hope you're right Harry.
hey real big fan of DeForrest Kelley
by Groothewarrior
Jun 27th, 2008
01:46:41 AM
he saved Spocks brain!!!!
JJ ABRAMS, IF YOU'RE READING
by BendersShinyAss
Jun 27th, 2008
01:53:15 AM
You & your team MUST watch this ... http://tinyurl.com/5g5pqf
Not Enterprise? ... Really? ... REALLY? ...
by dk7pdx
Jun 27th, 2008
01:55:56 AM
C'mon Harry ... get the f'n DVD's ... it was the best of the series since TNG ... ORIGINAL ... ORIGIN! ... Scott Bakula was freakin' sweet ... whatev ... I'm still stoked that you saw some sweet space shots ... sounds literally awesome ...
Wait a minute...
by WillowFan2001
Jun 27th, 2008
02:02:22 AM
Did Harry actually say early on in this article that there were some pieces of entertainment he didn't go head over heels for? :::picks up phone::: "Hello, LL Bean? Yes, I'd like to order your biggest, thickest winter parka. Yeah, and the matching pants...you got thick boots too? Great. Yeah, I want it shipped. Send it to 'Satan, Hell.' Hello?" Damn. Well, I tried.
dk7pdx...
by WillowFan2001
Jun 27th, 2008
02:04:39 AM
Enterprise was better than DS9? Seriously? I've been waiting to hear someone say that for quite some time now...I have a few questions for you. We'll start with #1: Were you born like Helen Keller, or did you acquire all her disabilities later in life?
Man I can't wait
by messi
Jun 27th, 2008
02:08:29 AM
And i haven't ever really been a big Trek fan but this is exciting. Not as exciting as getting my dark knight tickets.
unionJACKass.webs.com
by messi
Jun 27th, 2008
02:14:19 AM
Avatar will have to beat Children of Fucking Men, The Fellowship of the Ring and There Will Be Blood. That's a tall order.
So....
by Fortunesfool
Jun 27th, 2008
02:30:59 AM
It's Starship Troopers without all the really cool stuff?
All asians do not look alike...
by proton45
Jun 27th, 2008
02:32:42 AM
I don't think that Roddenberry would have cast a non-Japanese to play Sulu...All asians are not the same.
Just got off the phone to Bill Shatner
by HarryBlackPotter
Jun 27th, 2008
02:40:42 AM
He was drunk and stoned and started singing Elton John's Rocket Man down the phone to me. He said the film will die on its ass because they didn't ask him to be in ‘their’ movie. He did however try and sneak onto the Paramount lot by dressing up as Catwoman...but one of the security guys tazered him and he woke up in a cage in some vetinary clinic. Problem was the effects of the electric shock meant he was unable to talk, so the vets mistook him for a real cat and neutered him...ouch! of course, I didn't believe a word he said, because he was very, very drunk.
@kwisatzhaderach
by photoboy
Jun 27th, 2008
03:16:53 AM
I agree, Abrams is nowhere near as talented as Wise or Meyer and rebooting with this mutant half-canon story is just a bad idea. A new crew and a new ship set much farther into the future is what I wanted to see as well.

I can't think of a single decent line crapped out by Kurtzman/Orci either.
harryblackpotter
by Prossor
Jun 27th, 2008
03:22:44 AM
did they leave shatner's balls in a jar? or did they just leave htem to dry
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Jun 27th, 2008
03:26:03 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
I was into the idea of the Supernatural kid
by David Cloverfield
Jun 27th, 2008
03:34:22 AM
as Kirk, a little too much. Maybe they'll win me over.
Harry, in Regards to the Costumes...
by DeeboShanks
Jun 27th, 2008
03:37:20 AM
Were they "classic trek" as in post second pilot, or were they in line with the canon and look as if they might evolve to the costumes seen in "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before"?
Dude, you HATED Insurrection!
by newc0253
Jun 27th, 2008
04:00:14 AM
Harry, your Insurrection review was the first AICN review i ever read and it was the one that convinced me that your site had merit.

Enterprise, otoh, managed to get very good by its final season. Definitely better than anything in insipid Voyager's entire 7-year run.

Paramount pulled out of Comic Con - Fuck them
by Hanny44
Jun 27th, 2008
05:21:39 AM
They decided not to come to San Diego because they have a built in audiences for their upcoming releases like Transformers 2, Star Trek, and Gi Joe. I think JJ is making a huge mistake not coming to the Con.....there are plenty of trekkies out there but are they that confident that recasting a beloved crew will go over so well? JJ needs to get people excited and that starts at the con. Then there is GI Joe directed by Stephen "The Mummy" Sommers. Another sure fire hit? Again...i'd be surprised if this movie was any good. Besides some released photos how could I possibly get excited for a Stepehen Sommers directed movie? Paramount should be concentrating on getting people pumped up at the con instead of being blatantly over confident. Since they pulled out of the con, I may have to pull out of their 2009 movie slate.
darquelyte can go FUCK himself...
by quantize
Jun 27th, 2008
05:46:59 AM
really JJ deserves every shit bomb thrown at him..if your intelligence wasn't insulted by Cloverfield or Lost, then you dont have any worth mentioning.
*shrug*
by palewook
Jun 27th, 2008
06:06:36 AM
trek is pretty much dead. JJ can ape styles, forms, visual concepts, and ideas. But what has the man ever created?

expect this to look and feel more 80's trek than 90's. which isn't all bad.

I guess
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
Jun 27th, 2008
06:13:49 AM
I'm okay with the idea of a prequel now. This little preview has me curious. The idea of a film that takes us from now to the original series sounds cool.

It's just what happens after that, that might worry Trekkies.

Could this be more of a 'BSG'-ified Trek?
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
Jun 27th, 2008
06:18:27 AM
Trying to do for Trek what the BSG remake did for the original? The difference being there have been a lot of new Trek series and movies over the years and it'll have to compete with all of them whereas nothing stood in BSG's way of acceptance.
"SO – WHAT DID YOU SEE HARRY?"
by Trazadone
Jun 27th, 2008
06:19:39 AM
Harry, open with this question, don't bury it in a 10,000 word essay about nothing. Christ after all these years you still can't write.
Harry, congrats...
by ckane123
Jun 27th, 2008
06:28:05 AM
I'm so freakin' jealous of you right now. Forget the haters, I think JJ is going to make this work, and work well.
IF you skip like half the movie, Cloverfield
by David Cloverfield
Jun 27th, 2008
06:31:47 AM
is the greatest thing since slice bread. I didn't mind the "Young People Fucking" cast at first viewing, it helped the "suddenly there's shit going down" feeling. But they're really annoying the second time.
You Let YOKO into the Studio!
by FILMFUNK
Jun 27th, 2008
06:48:29 AM
Only joking! You lead a charmed life H' Like some sort of secret movie snooper!

This will be great! I've enjoyed everything JJ has offered up so far in his career

I aint a STrek nut so I can't moan if they get some nuts and bolts out of place on the enterprise, although I loved the Shatner and want to watch Wrath of Khan again now!. If it's as epic in Scale as the Starship Troopers Space Scenes I'll be happy, I'd even be cool with cheesy bootcamp teens and Baby Spock sound brilliant!

Want more pics!
by Dazzler69
Jun 27th, 2008
06:50:40 AM
My friend who is a Trekie wants pics from the movie at all costs! Try to report on them.
Yackbacker
by HEADGEEK
Jun 27th, 2008
06:57:23 AM
wouldnt change a word
Thanks Harry...
by cameron1975willi
Jun 27th, 2008
07:11:17 AM
...For posting J.J's TED speech. I found it very entertaining. J.J. reminded me of a young, hungry Spielberg. I'm sure it crossed your mind before. I'm psyched about a new Star Trek movie having watched the director's cut of the first motion picture the other night. I really enjoyed it and of course have a special place in my heart for Wrath of Khan. Can't wait to hear more from you when you visit with J.J. again.
"STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT was fun. So was STAR TREK: INSURRECTIO
by AgentArchangel
Jun 27th, 2008
07:29:55 AM
Right on the first, DEAD wrong on the second, and pretty wrong on the third, but that's just an opinion. I thought Nemesis was fun, and much more fun than the clusterfuck that was Insurrection. You feeling ok, Harry?

by cameron1975willi
Jun 27th, 2008
07:33:21 AM
How are you feelin', post surgery, by-the-way?
There hasn’t been much we could say, positive, about STAR TREK
by ajbopp
Jun 27th, 2008
07:40:32 AM
Actually, there's quite a lot positive you COULD have said. You just chose not to because it's generally been better than you can either admit or recognize. Despite you having missed the boat so often in the history of this franchise, I have a good feeling about this next movie, even though Harry seems to be on board with it and he generally gets things completely wrong. We'll see.
Harry, you fail!
by DocPazuzu
Jun 27th, 2008
07:48:18 AM
C'mon, big guy... Nemesis wasn't a good movie but it beat the hell out of Insurrection, which was the absolute nadir of Trek. Words can't describe how much I hate Insurrection. It embodies everything which is awful about Star Trek.

Insurrection = STINKO!

All these characters graduated in the same class?
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 27th, 2008
07:48:39 AM
Even Bones? Isn't he supposed to be several years older than Kirk?
Harry, I really enjoyed the narrative to this "review"
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Jun 27th, 2008
07:52:46 AM
and greatly look forward to what J.J. has to offer. I'm no big fan of his, but I just want to see old school Trek get a foothold in popular culture again--and if he can do it respectfully, I'm all for it.
Does this mean
by bobjustbob
Jun 27th, 2008
07:54:07 AM
the Kobayashi Maru rumor is true? Please say it ain't so.
So, let me get this straight ... the crew all went to school tog
by jae683
Jun 27th, 2008
07:58:00 AM
Uh ... ok. But wasn't Bones much older than Uhura? And wasn't he the second docter? Sounds to me like they're doing what Hollywood does best, 'collapsing the universe.' Everyone has to be connected to everyone else, in some way--everything wrapped up in a neat-little self-contained world. Nothing can be random. Heaven knows kids can't think outside the box, these days.
enough of this lame ass reboot/relaunch shit
by Gungan Slayer
Jun 27th, 2008
07:59:14 AM
getting old
I'm just worried that they will
by bobjustbob
Jun 27th, 2008
08:02:37 AM
put flames on the shuttles and lips on the Enterprise, so-to-speak. The only JJ thing I've ever seen was MI:3 and that was a dreadful, dreadful movie.
On Deforest Kelly...
by Dragon Man
Jun 27th, 2008
08:11:16 AM
I think it isn't stated enough how good an actor he was, because he made it look so easy. I saw the first episode of TNG for the first time in quite a while and watched his cameo with Data. That scene was so full of life and fun and it was all because of him; he owned that scene handsdown. Even now that TNG and Data are so established and well-known, that feeling still hasn't changed.
Ryan Reynolds should've been Kirk
by lynxpro
Jun 27th, 2008
08:18:28 AM
I've said it plenty of times and I will say it again, Ryan Reynolds should've been Kirk. Him with Urban would've worked well.
Fuck JJ and Paramount for pulling out of the Con
by Hanny44
Jun 27th, 2008
08:20:34 AM
I agree with "What has JJ ever done"? He had a few good seasons of Alias and that's it. Lost is a cluster fuck that will never end or go away. I have been quite intrigued by the new Star Trek but they can go fuck themselves now after pulling out of the con. I'm sure someone will sell a bootlegged copy on the corner and i'll opt for viewing it that way.
I think Harry meant Generations, not Insurrection.
by warp11
Jun 27th, 2008
08:22:24 AM
Yea, and after reading Harry's comments, I have hope for this film. To be honest I never thought I would see such a big push for Star Trek again. Maybe that Star Trek band Warp 11 will write a song about the new film.
How many people have played Hamlet?
by V'Shael
Jun 27th, 2008
08:25:26 AM
Or Sherlock Holmes?

It shouldn't matter if they recast the icons. Sometimes you get better.

For years, Basil Rathbone was the only Holmes people would picture when they thought of the great detective.

Then Jeremy Brett came along, and any Holmes fan who saw his performance would tell you THAT was Holmes. In a way that Basil could never be.

Recasting icons is not that big a deal.

I haven't been interested in Trek since...
by rbatty024
Jun 27th, 2008
08:29:46 AM
DS9. That was the last time Star Trek was fun and interesting. After two terrible movies and two terrible series, I wonder if there's any real excitement left out there? This thing has the potential to really bomb.
Star Fleet rank selection smells rank
by amaysingstories
Jun 27th, 2008
08:34:35 AM
I'm not getting how the whole ship is outfitted and manned. There was no crew before this one? A cadet becomes a Captain without even qualification tours on another hull? The doctor, the comm officer, the first officer, and the CO all go to school together? I have no idea how this is supposed to work. It's like no one's ever heard of, oh, I don't know, the Navy! Or reality! Now I can see Kirk passing back through Starfleet academy for a command course or something, but not as a cadet - how about as a Commander or Lieutenant Commander? Then there would be a reason for them all to be leaving SFA together. Anyone have any clue on how they are justifying the scene as Harry saw it?
Ds9 was excelllent!
by u.k. star
Jun 27th, 2008
08:42:36 AM
Pearticualrly after they fully went into the massive Dominion stort ark from the end of the 2nd series, and got the Defiant. It's righly in Empire's list of 50 greatest tv shows of all time. I liked B% too, mostly do it was possible to like both you know.
"old diesel submarine"...
by conspiracy
Jun 27th, 2008
08:52:44 AM
All those months ago, when we were shown the grimy looking Leatherboy Steelworkers welding, sweating and assembling Enterprise; It was at that time I took to the Talkbackers podium and prclaimed.."What is this fucking shit..Steam Trek?"
I Don't Know What to Believe
by Seth_Brundle
Jun 27th, 2008
08:54:47 AM
First of all, not to sound overly geeky, but Kirk got a commendation for "original" thinking not "creative." Secondly, I agree that Nemesis is not as great as a lot of the other films in the franchise, but it totally kicks Insurrection's ASS! Insurrection was easily, hands down the worst film in the franchise since Star Trek V. Anyway, with that being said, I honestly don't know what to think about Harry's report. Besides a finished scene and visual effects, it sounded to me like there was still something missing. I hope I am wrong, because I am a Die Hard Trekkie and am not afraid to admit it. With a movie of this caliber though, with so much potential, AND on top of that having to reinvigorate the fan base while creating new fans, I expected Harry would have seen something more that would confirm that the above expectations have been met. Hopefully with the year or so they still have before the film's release that it will be perfected. I am confident with Abrams, I have enjoyed a lot of what he's been affiliated with, I just hope he surprises me yet again with a good, solid Star Trek film.
Great Report Harry.
by The Brain Machine
Jun 27th, 2008
09:04:46 AM
I wish you had seen some more details about the characters and plot, but this is at least promising. I, too was never able to get into DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise. They all felt watered down to me. The chemistry wasn't there, which is completely necessary for Trek to work. Each one of those Trek incarnations had characters that just bugged me. They may have worked for others, but not me... sorry.

I can't wait to see some of this footage, and was surprised Paramount pulled out of ComicCon this year. There is such a big question mark over the heads of ST fans over this movie. Now is the time for Paramount to release something that settles, and excites the fans at the same time.

You lucky SOB, Harry! More articles like this, please - its why we come back every day.
Insurrection was easily, hands down the worst film in the franch
by IAmJack'sUserID
Jun 27th, 2008
09:05:15 AM
God, I agree with you. It was plain awful. My friend and I -- both of us are to a limited degree Trek fans -- MST3K'd the fuck out of it upon seeing it in the theater, and that was more out of a reaction of how bad this movie was, and how shitty it was and how fast we were realizing this.
Insurrection v. Nemesis
by rbatty024
Jun 27th, 2008
09:09:13 AM
Granted both are terrible, terrible films, but I have to go with Insurrection over Nemesis. Insurrection started to give us a philosophical question about the good of the many and all that before it turned into cinematic vomit. I also think the characters were given a chance to display some humor and fun, even if most of it was cheesy. Nemesis was humorless and devoid of fun. They also killed off Data, even though he appears in the future during the final episode of TNG, which I know is a pedantic complaint, but it annoyed me. Anything JJ comes up with will be better than either film. I don't know why it was so hard to make good Trek films. They have a less than fifty percent batting average.
Tell me Harry
by ArcadianDS
Jun 27th, 2008
09:16:26 AM
does your lapband shake?
Whoa, 'franch' is a cool fucking word!
by IAmJack'sUserID
Jun 27th, 2008
09:20:53 AM
Why isn't it a legit word? FUCKERS!
RE: Insurrection v. Nemesis
by Seth_Brundle
Jun 27th, 2008
09:21:51 AM
I still pick Nemesis over Insurrection. Nemesis is far from II, IV, or VI, but it is better than Insurrection. With Insurrection, I can see the underlying theme about the morality of killing 300 people to save 3 million, but I can't get past, nor can I forgive Picard, Worf, and Data singing Gilbert & Sullivan during the shittiest CG shuttle chase sequence, nor can I forgive them cutting half of the Enterprise battle, we see them engage the enemy, and then cut back to the planet, cut back to the fight and the engines are venting their coolant. Also, and I am not trying to pick a fight, but they killed off Data in Nemesis really is not a valid argument for saying Insurrection is better, simply because they explained at the end of the TNG finale that Picard told the crew what he saw in the future as a way of indicating that the future hadn't been written yet, hence why we saw an Enterprise-D with 3 nacelles in the finale, but in Generations the Enterprise-D was destroyed, so the future that Picard saw, was not the actual future that was going to unfold.
It's not about who can play Kirk
by bobjustbob
Jun 27th, 2008
09:27:25 AM
It's about who can play William Shatner. The od Shatner, not the balloon-shaped Bozo Shatner.
old Shatner, not od Shatner
by bobjustbob
Jun 27th, 2008
09:28:54 AM
doh!
You have a point about the finale.
by rbatty024
Jun 27th, 2008
09:31:53 AM
However, the larger point is that Data's death had no gravitas. If you're going to kill off a main character make it memorable. The fact that they shoehorned Data's retarded brother into the plot cheapened the death as well because you know they were planning on somehow bringing him back in a sequel. Besides, Nemesis was an even number film, so it wasn't supposed to suck. I haven't seen either film since their theatrical release, so maybe I'm forgetting some of the worst atrocities of Insurrection (I almost forgot about the Gilbert & Sullivan). It seems to me that Insurrection was a lame attempt at making a TNG version of Trek IV.
ST-TMP 1979
by alcester
Jun 27th, 2008
09:32:29 AM
This is still my favorite STAR TREK movie. Maybe its to adult [slower paced] than all the other action packed smuck out there.
The problem with Star Trek
by mraig
Jun 27th, 2008
09:42:34 AM
I have always been amazed that the Star Trek franchise has been around for 40 years, has created probably 700 or so hours of material, has reached the point where many are saying it has "run its course" or that they have told pretty much every conceivable story they have to tell, and yet, if you really think about it, they have barely scratched the surface in terms of stories to tell.

Everybody always talks about the 'Star Trek cliches'--the fact that there have been so many episodes of Star Trek that they end up telling the same stories over and over again: they come to a planet of aliens that seem benevolent, but actually they're BLANK or they get captured by a transcendental being who tests them, and so on and so forth. The implication is that they have run out of story possibilities, and anything they could come up with is just going to be something we've already seen repackaged or spun a little differently.

But what I don't understand is why they take this universe that they've spent 40 years creating, in which 150-300 years in the future the human race has made all this progress, internally and externally, has ventured out into space and begun interacting with other beings, and yet the only part of this world that they show us is one tiny little bit: what it's like to be in the military/scientific exploration organization called Starfleet.

It would be like if the 1960s were something that you had made up in your head, and you decided to create a series of TV shows and movies about them that spanned hundreds of hours, and you set the whole thing on four submarines and an aircraft carrier. Sure, you would run out of stories about things that can happen on a military vessel, but you wouldn't have even scratched the surface of possible stories to tell about this world!

We've heard again and again that the human race has gotten rid of crime and poverty, and that their society has one world government, no religion, and no money. Fucking show me that! That's a fascinating concept--the human race achieving peace and perfection. What would it work like? What would life be like for normal people in it? If there's no money, what do people do with their time? What's to stop everyone from being fat and lazy and unmotivated?

Is there really no crime? If there's no money, I guess there might not be theft, but what about rape and murder and adultery and assault? Do those exist? If so, how are they dealt with? If not, what is preventing them?

How does the government work? Are there political parties? Are there different philosophies about what is the best way to govern? Is there still the tension between ensuring equality and ensuring freedom? If so, what forum is this debate carried out in?

Is there really no religion? If not, what happens when individual people have spiritual or religious feelings that they feel the need to express--are they prevented from doing this? And if there is religion, how do members of different sects manage to get along with each other?

Do people still recognize the division of the world into different countries? What role does nationality play in people's lives? Does government work at a local level too, or just at the global level? How about race and ethnicity? Do people still recognize themselves as members of different races? Are there still racial tensions?

And that's all just internal--that doesn't take into account the role that aliens would play in everyday life, or the relation between earth and colonies of humans living on other worlds. But my point is that there are so many areas of the Star Trek universe that could be explored in an intellectually interesting way that don't involve warp drives or phasers or shields being down to 23 percent.

Why can't we have a "Star Trek" show whose plot is about the founding of a colony on another planet, and whose main character is the person assigned to be the governor of that planet? Or a show that takes place on earth: in a hospital, in a school, in a factory, in an engineering firm? Or just follow the life of a simple family that lives in one of the 22nd-24th century worlds that we've seen from the point of view of a ship? Or if you want the show to take place in space, why not on a cargo ship? Why not on a pleasure cruiser?

The people who say that Star Trek has run its course and that there are no more stories to tell aren't using their imaginations.

Star Trek : 90210
by JamesT
Jun 27th, 2008
09:46:57 AM
I hope JJ doesn't have the entire crew graduate the academy together.
I am in total agreement with you as well, rbatty
by Seth_Brundle
Jun 27th, 2008
09:49:50 AM
in that Nemesis could have added more depth and gravitas to Data's death, then just letting it happen. And Data's retarded brother was just a cheap excuse for having Brent Spiner be in the next film if they were going to make another one, which thank god they're not and finally put the TNG cast to pasture. Despite knowing in his first scene exactly what Data's "brother" was in the film for, I ended up really enjoying Nemesis up to the last 10 minutes, after the final fight it all went downhill and in a similar fashion to the Gilbert & Sullivan we have a character singing "Blue Skies," which was just as shudder inducing. I think we can safely agree that they were both campy, cheesy, flawed films.
Why the attempt to make this mainstream?
by IndyCollector
Jun 27th, 2008
10:01:05 AM
People who hate Star Trek or have no interest are not going to see a movie titled STAR TREK. The franchise has a large enough base to keep it successful (or moderately successful). I like the original series and the movies and will watch the Next Generation if I stumble across it but that's it. I'll see the new film because I'm familiar with the core Star Trek universe. It doesn't matter who's cast in it or who makes it, some random 22-year-old college sorority chick is not going to go see this.
I want a starship
by a rolling stone
Jun 27th, 2008
10:11:31 AM
Why don't we hand all this shit to Apple so they can build it?
The needs of the many
by a rolling stone
Jun 27th, 2008
10:13:42 AM
I just caught the Khan episode on TV, then the nerd in me prompted me to stick the movie in and watch it directly after. Khan was such a cool motherfucker. STII was the very essence of over-acting from both the hero and the villain...but it was just right.
Tom Corbett
by greatmoose
Jun 27th, 2008
10:15:58 AM
That hanger scene sounds a lot like the first Tom Corbett: Space Cadet book. If so, very cool.
Chris Pine
by picardsucks
Jun 27th, 2008
10:21:51 AM
Better Fucking get it right!!!!
Don't get the hate for this...
by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR
Jun 27th, 2008
10:22:03 AM
...although it doesn't seem as strong as it once did. Star Trek has often been a load of gash and the term 'Trekkies' is synonymous with the stereotypical spotty freakish-looking Halo-playing fatboy virgin losers that so accurately describes most of you guys (I don't play Halo, so obviously am better than all of you). The odd episode here and there, Trek hasn't been any good since the end of DS9, which is only so widely-acclaimed because it compared favourably to the pieces of shit Voyager and Enterprise and the tired final seasons of TNG. That and it actually had, you know, storylines that lasted longer than an episode. But my point is, how can this version of Trek really be inferior to Trek as we already know it? Surely that's impossible?
So if the Enterprise was manufactured at Area 51...
by Lou Stools
Jun 27th, 2008
10:22:46 AM
...I hope they include a shot of engineers loading the Ark of the Covenant into the warp core and popping off the lid before slamming the door.
And I still want to see Shatner punch somebody
by picardsucks
Jun 27th, 2008
10:22:57 AM
Just one more time!!
Finally, Harry writes something positive...
by Jeditemple
Jun 27th, 2008
10:34:18 AM
And I didn't end up hating his ginger-butt for being such a dork. Did this version of Harry pop out of a pod? Or has the gastric surgery fixed his brain?
I noticed no views of Enterprise
by victor82
Jun 27th, 2008
10:36:14 AM
That's JJ's Holy Grail. The Big E is unsaid "star" of the show, as much as cast member as Pine or anyone else. It has to be done right for the flick to work.
Can you have two different fonts?
by I Dunno
Jun 27th, 2008
10:43:24 AM
One that contains all the horsehit no one cares about and one where you have something to say?

The largest fictional universe created in the last 40 years and all they can think to do is go back to the Kirk and Spock well. Fuck off, JJ.

As for mraig...
by Sixtyhurts
Jun 27th, 2008
10:48:16 AM
That show is called "Battlestar Galactica". "...How does the government work? Are there political parties? Are there different philosophies about what is the best way to govern? Is there still the tension between ensuring equality and ensuring freedom? If so, what forum is this debate carried out in?...Is there really no religion? If not, what happens when individual people have spiritual or religious feelings that they feel the need to express--are they prevented from doing this? And if there is religion, how do members of different sects manage to get along with each other?...Why can't we have a "Star Trek" show whose plot is about the founding of a colony on another planet, and whose main character is the person assigned to be the governor of that planet?..."
Booop....Boooop...
by malificus
Jun 27th, 2008
10:51:11 AM
Pike says right on, given how much the franchise has degenerated the past few years a re-boot will either be super sweet or super sucky. Having Abrams involved leans me toward the former, if it's the latter then wait two years and something better will come out, like the Hulk, which was awesome.
...and that guy up there is right.
by I Dunno
Jun 27th, 2008
10:54:17 AM
the perfect to utopia of the ST universe doesn't make sense. They can't even get it staright whether they have money or not. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. There's no war on earth but there's war all over the rest of the galaxy. There's not racism but Bones basically calls Spock a half breed n---ger all the time.

They never had their shit together. That's why DS9 is the best. People were more human and there were more space battles.

Re: "LONG LIVE LEDGER."
by I Dunno
Jun 27th, 2008
10:55:40 AM
I'm sorry, you didn't hear?
INSURRECTION? You're kidding.
by Heckles
Jun 27th, 2008
10:56:28 AM
That was the biggest piece of shit. Nemesis was at least tolerable. Your Trek taste is manic.
Mraig, Trek was moving in that direction in DS9...
by rbatty024
Jun 27th, 2008
10:57:35 AM
but then they decided to do the same thing over and over again. DS9 was the first series to have non-Starfleet main characters. It was a wonderful means of expanding the universe, but then the producers decided that viewers wanted more or the same.
Star Trek plots should avoid these things:
by bobjustbob
Jun 27th, 2008
11:11:09 AM
Time Travel, Whales, Fan Dancing, baked beans and singing androids.
Here this: Agent Spalko will return as a Jedi
by victor82
Jun 27th, 2008
11:11:48 AM
...in a Star Trek Movie. Remember, she didn't DIE in the Indy 4 flick. If you were JJ, that would be the perfect way to "Suck Satan's Cock" and genuflect to Spielberg AND Lucas at the same time: Bring Irina back as this lightsaber wielding Jedi in the Star Trek universe. Have Spielberg direct. Grand Unification Theory of the Franchises. It works on so many levels. There's a reason why Irina's conscience was allowed to go into another dimension at the end of Indy IV. The character is too good to kill off permanently, and you can make her transition to an SF character. But first, JJ has to genuflect to the Great Spielberg and the Almighty Lucas. Nyuk, nyuk.
Newbie here
by AndrewAlt
Jun 27th, 2008
11:12:31 AM
Trek fan, but somehow I've missed this and I wonder if it's just common knowledge.. but is the JJ Star Trek a flashback (Spock: "ah we were young back then") or is it a reboot with none of the history from the shows, books, movies being canon? Or don't we know yet?
Minor Spoilerish stuff here (about Spock)
by bobjustbob
Jun 27th, 2008
11:24:02 AM
Old Spock travels back in time to warn New Spock about a threat to Kirk.
Nemesis v Insurrection
by newc0253
Jun 27th, 2008
11:26:56 AM
Insurrection sucked because the entire dramatic conflict was such a fucking sham: happy peace-loving aliens sitting on the fountain of youth vs greedy old aliens trying to exploit it. Everyone knows that loving peace is GOOD and greedy exploitation is BAD but does it occur to anyone on the Enterprise that the peace-loving aliens sitting selfishly on the fountain of youth might be a little greedy themselves, when the entire galaxy might benefit from their fountain of youth?

Nemesis's problems were different: in principle, a potential war between the Romulans and the Federation should have been a great setting for drama. But it was hard to give a rat's ass about the villain and Logan's script was deeply overrated, the set-up for Data's death was just trite.

it's a draw they both suck.

Sept. 2008 Closing Vegas' Star Trek Experience Ride
by EriamJH
Jun 27th, 2008
11:27:23 AM
Stupid mistake, with a ST reboot and all, at the Las Vegas Hilton. They still get the convention crowd -- not just the trek conventions -- but have to luxury up the joint.
defending Voyager
by spidercoz
Jun 27th, 2008
11:30:49 AM
I can't actually believe I wrote those words, I just threw up in my mouth a little. But, BUT, over the course of last year, I had the Star Trek marathon to end all. I watched EVERYTHING, in chronological order no less. (That actually made for some really cool back-and-forth w/ TNG and DS9 for a bit, then later w/ DS9 and VOY, but I digress.) I didn't really want to watch Voyager, but I did. I watched all 7 seasons, about 50% of which was new to me. I tried watching when it was first on, but I lost interest around the 3rd season. Occassionally I'd catch an ep afterward but it just wasn't good. The characters were annoying, the stories excessively outlandish, and the resolutions were mostly the same ("we can get out of this if we [insert technobabble here]") So I watch them anew and the stuff I'd seen previously was the same, just not good. After about the halfway mark though I found I was actually getting invested in it. Sure some of the characters still grated me, but it became more like the cousins from the branch of the family that you get along with but just wonder what the hell is wrong with them. By the end I had a new appreciation for it. Don't get me wrong, it's still the weakest of the lot, but it definitely has some good Trek moments from time to time. Ok, I know it's coming, flame on.
Trek Shows
by AndrewAlt
Jun 27th, 2008
11:39:45 AM
I liked the original series quite abit but I can't say I loved it with a passion. I was totally against the Next Generation and didn't watch it until mid second season and then I was hooked and was a loyal 'must see this when it's first on' viewer.. I tried to warm up to Deep Space Nine but I missed a few episodes and then realized that the show heavily depended on following each episode so I dropped it. Someday I'd like to watch the entire series in a clump (I've heard it holds up extremely well). I thought Voyager had the best promos but the episodes always felt rushed and flat to me and I gave up. I really wanted to like Entertprise since I liked Scott Bakula on QL.. .but I got annoyed that they were playing around with established time lines and besides that it felt not enough like Star Trek when they were in the grungy ship and too much like some other show when they'd pop into some distant future situation.
How does the new Bones work?
by Rufferto
Jun 27th, 2008
11:44:46 AM
Isn't he like the action hero sort of actor and I can't help but imagine the new Kirk would seem pretty weak next to him. I really don't get that casting. It's like they are all the same age.
Insurrection and Nemesis
by Rufferto
Jun 27th, 2008
11:50:02 AM
Were cold blooded killers of tng movie franchise. Insurrection was a waste of money and time and the plot was bland as hell. It would only just barely make a decent episode. I think even Levar Burton said that they didn't make a good one after First Contact which was a fantastic movie. It was one of the few that had memorable lines and scenes in. What memorable scenes were in Insurrections? Beverly and Deanna talking about their boobs? Worf getting a zit?
How to make a Good TNG sequel!
by Demode
Jun 27th, 2008
12:06:16 PM
Someone mentioned in another post the possibilty of Data being beamed off the exploding ship in "NEMESIS" by the nearby Romulans after Data fired his phaser. That would have to be some really quick timing… but not a bad idea. If the Romulans were tracking the ship long enough for it’s shields to go down, it might have been possible.... I remember one episode of TNG where the Romulan Defector tells Data that he knows a whole army of scientists that would love to get their hands on him to study him. Data says that he does not enjoy the thought of that, and the Romulan tells him “as well you shouldn’t.” So just imagine if they did get their hands on him. One quick way to rid themselves of their need of the Remans (slave-aliens introduced in NEMESIS, who turn on the Romulans…) Kill all the Remans and create androids to do all the dirty work that the Remans once did. Of course, the androids would have to turn on their Romulan creators ala Cylons. Perhaps Data would be responsible for that. That would make an amazing TNG film!
Enterprise not so much, but Voyager definately grows on you
by smackfu
Jun 27th, 2008
12:14:24 PM
and easily becomes one of those shows that no matter how many times you've seen the episodes you can still let them run as soothing tv background noise, much like the Simpsons, those old Law & Order re-runs, etc.
The Tech
by Norm3
Jun 27th, 2008
12:15:05 PM
I hope we don't recognize all the tech because it will be dated in 5 years. thats the great thing about TOS the Tech still looks good because its so beyond what we knew then & even now.
Can't wait to see this
by skydemon
Jun 27th, 2008
12:17:25 PM
Been a while since there has been any Trek on worth watching. I hope this lives up to the expectations. Leave the marshmallows, and emotion chips, and overall general sap. Bring on the grit, and realism.
The Motiion Picture versus Khan
by minderbinder
Jun 27th, 2008
12:17:41 PM
I never realized that TPM made more than Khan...the way people talk about the first two, it makes it sound like the first was a huge bomb and the second saved the series. When it turns out that they both did well, but the studio had higher expectations for the first based on budget. I'll have to watch the first one, I don't think I ever got around to seeing it.
If there was ever plans for a sequel to Neme
by Rufferto
Jun 27th, 2008
12:21:32 PM
Nemesis B4 was obviously set up to be like McCoy who had memories of Spock in his head ready to bring the character back. Very bloody unoriginal. They should of brought Lore back instead. Or Q ready to finally judge humanity as he sees it represented in Picard's crew and if they could face the challenges he said they would never be ready for.
right on mraig
by Pvt. Noguchi
Jun 27th, 2008
12:22:36 PM
I feel the same way. While i like starfleet and the action oriented stories you can get from a basis in the military, i would LOVE to see another side to the ST universe. And for the guy who said "Watch BSG": Ok, that's how they do it in that universe, i want to see how they do it in the trek universe. you could have just as easily said "Watch Bab5", which is a great show, but isn't the other side of trek. I want a bab5/BSG realism brought to the trek 'verse.
Why does it need to make $400 million?
by krushjudgement
Jun 27th, 2008
12:22:39 PM
You said his budget is at least 3 times $35 mil. That's 105 million. Assuming it's a little more maybe, 150 million, why the 400 million mark? Can't they hit 200 mil. worldwide and then kill in DVD sales? I don't know really, I'm not savvy to this Hollywood numbers stuff.
What a big fuck you to TNG fans that Q
by Rufferto
Jun 27th, 2008
12:26:19 PM
was dumped onto Voyager instead.
So It's Star Trek for Those Who Hate Star Trek
by msspurlock
Jun 27th, 2008
12:26:23 PM
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Make a movie that the whiny little bitches who didn't like the real Trek will like. Screw the fans. "Whoah! Awesome dude! Look at the explosions and guns and stuff!" We are nowhere near Roddenberry's vision anymore. So why not call it something else, rather than feeding off the name?
DS9 sucks
by Norm3
Jun 27th, 2008
12:31:46 PM
It should even be called Star Trek.
DS9 rules
by SpyGuy
Jun 27th, 2008
12:34:49 PM
It's too good to be called STAR TREK.
Q
by Demode
Jun 27th, 2008
12:35:55 PM
The biggest mistake ever made by the TNG movies was that they never used Q in a feature. Like Star Trek 4, Q would have brought in a lot of "on the fence" Trek fans because everyone loves Q. He always brought fun and a sence of humor to the series. If they ever make a 'final' TNG film, it should be a Q-centric film.
The problem with making a film that appeals to just fans...
by rbatty024
Jun 27th, 2008
12:40:58 PM
is that the number of Trek fans has diminished considerably since the days of TNG. I dropped out a couple of years into Voyager and judging by the short run of Enterprise I think plenty of people did the same. They need to create new fans or the series is dead. I like Trek, but I can see the appeal of just letting it be instead of trying to breath new life into it.
Demode exactly and here's why --
by Rufferto
Jun 27th, 2008
12:43:11 PM
"You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you have so far encountered -- the Klingons, the Romulans, are nothing compared to what's waiting. Picard, you are about to move into areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine... and terrors to freeze your soul. I offer myself as guide -- only to be rejected out-of-hand."
Can't make a judgement on JJ
by rogueleader66
Jun 27th, 2008
12:45:22 PM
I have only ever seen Cloverfield, which he didn't even direct, never saw Alias or Lost, I have MI:3 but have not gotten around to watching it. I am just hoping he doesn't screw this up, there is a lot riding on this movie for him, it's a potential career killer.
Startrek: The Search For Forehead Makeup Appliances
by General Crom
Jun 27th, 2008
12:46:32 PM
If it ain't applied in under 2 hours and spirit gummed into place seconds before filming-I want no part of it.
If you can't take a little bloody nose,
by Rufferto
Jun 27th, 2008
12:48:18 PM
-- maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid.
Needs more Tribbles
by joe90025
Jun 27th, 2008
12:48:32 PM
savage, murderous Tribbles with sharp teeth
Back when generations came out I thought a good
by General Crom
Jun 27th, 2008
12:52:15 PM
trilogy for the next gen would have the Borg in part 2(which they did)but then the next movie would have been Startrek Continuum and featured the Q and even the name couldve evoked more startrek after that.Instead the went comepletely lame with the worst title imaginable-startrek military termology
No miniskirts, then...
by Kid Z
Jun 27th, 2008
12:53:04 PM
... or Horndog Harry would've been sure to have mentioned it... along with a chocolate-covered p*ssy juice reference.
Well hell sure we didn't get Q but we got
by Rufferto
Jun 27th, 2008
12:57:02 PM
Wesely back! Hurray! My God it was just a cut scene but I still wanted to punch him in the face. One of the most obnoxious characters of all time.
Area 51-built Enterprise...
by Kid Z
Jun 27th, 2008
12:57:25 PM
...runs off of an engine built from the Ark of the Covenent, couple of Crystal Skulls, assorted gray alien saucer parts, Davy Jones' heart, the Head of John the Baptist, and the cure for AIDS (used as an engine coolant).
Ha ha ha no more TNG ever ha ha ha ha
by picardsucks
Jun 27th, 2008
12:58:45 PM
Kindergarden on the Enterprise, ship theropyst sitting next to the Captain on the bridge that looks more like a Senior Condo in Clearwater Florida than a starship bridge???? Synthohol??? Fat Androids who actually get fatter??? What a bunch of fucking fags!!!
Rufferto
by rogueleader66
Jun 27th, 2008
12:59:54 PM
Agreed on Wesley Crusher, an annoying whiny little fuck who ruined ST:TNG for me. I stopped watching it because of him, started again when he was gone, but then when they made him a fucking divine being or some shit, I never watched TNG again after that.
I think I just came
by Abominable Snowcone
Jun 27th, 2008
01:01:14 PM
to the conclusion that sooner or later, I'll see the movie.
Irina Spalko as a Jedi in Star Trek?
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 27th, 2008
01:09:56 PM
That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

Irina Spalko as a Sith Lord? Now we're talking!

MRAIG
by ArcadianDS
Jun 27th, 2008
01:11:44 PM
they did to a Star Trek show that focused on the science/politics of forming a new colony wherein the main character was the governor of said colony.

It was called Earth 2

Thanks Memories-Of-Murder
by krushjudgement
Jun 27th, 2008
01:15:42 PM
Still, it's surprising to me. There are a lot of movies that are costing 150 million to make, but not a lot of movies pull in 400 million. Somebody somewhere is making money off these things. I always assumed it was dvd sales.
I would like to go on the record with a guess...
by Felix_Happer
Jun 27th, 2008
01:22:26 PM
If, as a talkbacker has already mentioned, Shatner really is involved in this, he will be .....James T's pappy.
Studios and budgets
by rogueleader66
Jun 27th, 2008
01:29:09 PM
Where do studios get off sinking $150-$200 million into every movie they produce?? God quality can be made with less than a stratospheric budget, then the studios have the balls to complain because their bloated budget movie didn't rake in $400-$500 million. Cut the budgets and demand quality, then you can consider raising budgets. I guess Paramount should give the Beavis and Butthead movie a $200 million dollar budget huh?
Zoe Saldana plays Uhuru in this new film.
by Powers Boothe
Jun 27th, 2008
01:36:08 PM
The black actress from The L Word is Rose Rollins. Zoe is Hispanic but is almost always cast as an African-American. She does a lot of indie type films but is probably best known for Spielberg's The Terminal and the recent film Vantage Point.
Nope, Shatner is NOT Kirk's father...
by ckane123
Jun 27th, 2008
01:42:54 PM
Nor is he the ship's cook. In the film Shatner is Kirk... in the same way that Nimoy is Spock. Dig?
ckane123
by Felix_Happer
Jun 27th, 2008
01:52:18 PM
"Fascinating". I am officially intrigued.
Harry they're playing you like a sap
by mikey mike
Jun 27th, 2008
01:57:13 PM
the only reason they invite you to it so you'll do what you're doing now which is to say nice things about it and get every geek excited about this and by giving you that small peek it makes you feel special which gurantees a positive review. Peter Jackson used this website on King Kong where you guys were reporting every little thing that happened on the movie and now the Star Trek are getting you to do the same.
Very interesting
by OneBuckFilms
Jun 27th, 2008
02:23:23 PM
It appears, to my mind, that they are getting it right.
Late in the day, but...
by NEUR0M4NCER
Jun 27th, 2008
03:07:36 PM
As Shatner & Nimoy point out in their respective autobiographies/memoirs/Trek-t rivia books, Trek was meant - MEANT - to be Horatio Hornblower/WagonTrain in space... Roddenberry had all the lovey-dovey humanistic shit in there too, but that was how he pitched it... and that's what we got. Hadn't heard Karl Urban was playing Bones, I like. Fucking Simon Pegg, however, will be a dirty poo stain on the otherwise *okay* cast. Sure, he can make funny films, act a little, but fuck, man. If they really wanted a ginger, they should've got someone like Damian Lewis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm05 07073/) to do it. If not him, then at least someone who isn't... funny. And who can act in serious films.
octagonproplex
by CAPTAIN RIGHTWING
Jun 27th, 2008
03:13:19 PM
Jesus christ man! pull your head out of Jar Jar's ass you demented little butt pumping rump ranger!
Wil Wheaton seems obnoxious in or out of Trek
by Mavra Chang
Jun 27th, 2008
03:17:32 PM
I saw him on a Star Trek edition of the game show "The Weakest Link" and he was such an ass that every other person on it was completely pissed at him. He tried to say after he was booted that he was acting, playing the role of a jerk, but I don't think anyone was buying it. Also, don't forget that Zoe Saldana was in POTC. I'd love to see her be the non-crap-taking Uhura that was occasionally allowed to speak up ("Ahhh...fair maiden!" "Sorry. Neither!").
Oh, and Harry
by CAPTAIN RIGHTWING
Jun 27th, 2008
03:19:48 PM
You do realize you're being played right? They knew they were not participating in Comic Con and they were doing damage control.

I also suspect they are somewhat afraid of fan reaction to the changes they've made.

New Trek Footage
by ejd1984
Jun 27th, 2008
03:38:37 PM
I wonder if the footage that Abrams chose to show is intended to be part of the first trailer. It seems to me that Harry saw the footage a while ago, and just now got permission from Abrams to write his report on it. If so - Does this mean that something may be coming soon. Maybe a surprise at ComicCon?
Sounds great
by Mr. Bob Dobolina
Jun 27th, 2008
03:46:19 PM
I'm so glad we're back to the days of TOS, when men were men and girls were green and miniskirts were regulation. TNG and the subsequent 24th century ilk smelled like ass. Welcome back Star Trek, you've been away far too long!!
HARRY YOU IGNORANT SLUT.
by Arch Nemesis
Jun 27th, 2008
04:55:00 PM
Good review, your focus on a lot of fans' major concerns sets my mind at ease a bit, namely regarding the new actors....at least from a glimpse which is all you really got but this gives me hope. So, good preview. I will say that I don't think the movies eroded all that badly after KHHHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN, anyway The Undiscovered Country was excellent, one of my favorites. And I disagree with Yackbacker on AOTC and am glad you're holding to your review from way back then, I think you were spot on with your tape-slipped-under-the-hotel-r oom-door review. The movie had its flaws but I got the same sense of fun and excitement about it, post Ep.1, that you did.
M-O-M
by rogueleader66
Jun 27th, 2008
04:57:00 PM
You are correct sir. Look what happened in 1997. Star Wars (yes the first one, not "episode IV", I always call the first and the best just Star Wars) was re-released for its 20th anniversary and made $138 million, showing how timeless it is, and how loved a film it is. Oh and BTW, Blade Runner, AWESOME movie, that one I did see in the theaters when it came out, and it still holds up to this day. Oddly enough I have yet to see the newer, re-cut editions, but I am sure I will get to it.
Damn You MCMLXXVI
by TheyCallMeMisterBay
Jun 27th, 2008
05:12:30 PM
Damn You MCMLXXVI
Reboots
by DennisMM
Jun 27th, 2008
05:13:56 PM
Abrams is not doing a prequel. He's doing a reboot. We know that Kirk served on at least three ships before Enterprise, because he started as an ensign - as do all academy graduates. He was on his second assignment when the vampire cloud attacked, killing many crew members and leading Kirk to develop an "Obsession" with destroying it. He then commanded a ship lower in the food chain than the Constellation-class Enterprise. The Enterprise had a different chief medic when Kirk signed on, as we saw in "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It's semi-canon that McCoy didn't even join Starfleet until shortly before he was posted to the Enterprise. As was noted above, it's damned unlikely all these characters would have their first postings on such a prestigious ship. But I'm a Trek geek (retired), so what do I know?
But Wait! Maybe ...
by DennisMM
Jun 27th, 2008
05:23:09 PM
it's neither a prequel nor a reboot. We "know" the story involves time travel. So it's an alternate timeline story. No worries! Everybody relax.
"No worries! and relax" don't mix with
by bobjustbob
Jun 27th, 2008
05:33:35 PM
Star Trek and time travel. At least not for me.
I have mixed feelings for Abrams...
by rbatty024
Jun 27th, 2008
06:23:43 PM
I love Lost, but he's only one of many responsible for that show so he doesn't get all of the credit. Then I finally got around to seeing Cloverfield and was shocked when the movie sucked. Granted, he didn't direct that film so he doesn't get all of the blame. I never got around to watching MI3, mostly because I thought the first two sucked. It seems like he really hasn't been tested on the scale this film will test him.
Question for everyone: Do you like flashbacks?
by ckane123
Jun 27th, 2008
06:40:35 PM
Kay, imagine a movie where you start at the end (or near the end), and one character is reacting and talking to someone off screen, THEN you see that one character remember everything that happens and thus, we see the "movie." Now combine that with time travel. Then have something in the story "change" time... then we see go back to the "present" and see that the main character is talking to someone who is supposed to be dead... sounds like LOST? Ummm.... yeah... and it's also a lot like the story structure Mr. Abrams like A LOT... and it just may be the structure of the new Star Trek. Hmm.
Hail Arrius!
by Quintus_Arrius
Jun 27th, 2008
06:46:36 PM
'Cloverfield is still the best movie of the year so far'
by quantize
Jun 27th, 2008
06:54:55 PM
Like waving a little flag with RETARD printed on it
I like flashbacks mixed with flashforwards mixed
by Mavra Chang
Jun 27th, 2008
06:55:09 PM
with time travel mixed with alternate timelines mixed with parallel universes mixed with character amnesia. That way, if you pay close attention, you can be the only one (including those in the movie) who knows what the Hell is going on and be all superior. Lol!
rambo 3 talkback gone?
by Prossor
Jun 27th, 2008
06:57:12 PM
wth happened to it?
Idea for a dramatic through-line:
by ckane123
Jun 27th, 2008
07:03:21 PM
JOEL: Character A was a lifelong friend of Character B. Character B is dead. Character A misses him a lot. Character A finds out someone intends to kill Character B long before Character A ever became Character B's friend. Character A goes back to stop Character's B's premature death and somehow changes things so Character B DOES NOT DIE... and so when he comes back Character B is waiting for him. Character A, who is not normally the emotional type, smiles. What do you think, sirs? PROFESSOR FORESTER: I think I saw this on Doctor Who once. Or maybe it was Galaxy Quest. Oh well JOEL: WE GOT MOVIE SIGN!!!!
MSTK all the way!
by Mavra Chang
Jun 27th, 2008
07:07:02 PM
See, it can be done.
Finances
by Geekgasm
Jun 27th, 2008
07:11:14 PM
The most successful of all Star Trek movies made $109 million domestic. Most of them grossed in the mid-70 million range. There is no way in hell this new movie is going to break even. Even if its the best movie of all time, there is just a limited audience for Star Trek - and I don't think there's any reason to expect this is going to be the best movie of all time, or even the best Star Trek movie of all time. Its going to flop.
sounds cool
by BurgerKing
Jun 27th, 2008
07:31:41 PM
I never even liked Trek but I like JJ and might check it out, or take my dad who is a Trekkie. But your right, it's going to be VERY tough to pull in a large audience. They need to convince the older crowd that even with a completely new cast, it's still Trek, and need to convince the young crowd that Trek can be hip and cool...tough.

Although, like most franchises as Hollywood is learning, if you have no entries in it for a long time, people will pour their wallets out to see a reboot/decade later sequel with updated technology.

no mr_sinister7381
by BurgerKing
Jun 27th, 2008
07:34:39 PM
You've just been visiting AICN too much and are now cynical when it comes to anything. Yeah, a lot of these reboots are disappointing but its because of all this internet hype. Get away from it or just chill out and lighten up. Not trying to be a dick or anything.

Too many people on AICN and other sites like it calling for movies to suck before they come out, so when they do hit, you've already got it branded into your skull that the movie will blow.

Im gonna also come out and say Cloverfield was good
by BurgerKing
Jun 27th, 2008
07:37:57 PM
Didn't know what to expect going in but it was really fun. It's definitely a movie to see with an audience and in a theatre, not alone at home. Entertaining on the most basic level, and I can dig that.
Well, Geekgasm... "flop" is an interesting term...
by ckane123
Jun 27th, 2008
07:45:34 PM
Looking at Hollywood accounting, one has to remember Yogurt in Spaceballs.... "merchandising, merchandising!" If you look at the new movie as a stand-alone movie, you may be right (getting people interested in Trek again is definitely a challenge). If you look at it as a way to jump-start a 40-year-old franchise and then flood the market with new releases of the original series, new products, new tie-ins, a potential new series... well, you can amortize the cost of the new movie for a long time...
And one more thing...
by ckane123
Jun 27th, 2008
07:56:17 PM
Speed Racer has "flopped" because the merchandising hasn't sold very well (unless it's clearance priced, which has started and people think "Hey! Cheap birthday gift for little Timmy's cousin/classmate/friend") and the box office disappointed out of the gate. Iron Man is a hit because everybody is happy - the merchandise is selling out, the studio is flush with cash, and the theatre owners got consistent ticket revenue weeks past the initial release - basically, legs). If the ancillaries do well (and trust me, I'll be snapping up LOTS of tie ins for new Trek, as will a lot of fans) and the movie is not DOA Hollywood will say it's a "hit".
How much will it make it's opening weekend?
by ckane123
Jun 27th, 2008
08:02:01 PM
I bet they are hoping for Iron Man-like numbers - $80 to 100 million first weekend - and if it opens with less than 50 million on May 8th, they'll be some wailing and gnashing of teeth. Thing is, there is NOTHING else being released that weekend, and the only holdovers will be Wolverine and (shudder) The Hannah Montana movie, that open May 1st. Wolverine may bite into Trek's sales if it's REALLY good, but Hannah is gonna have a huge drop and really - it's not the same audience (duh). If another studio moves up a release to go against nuTrek, THEN we may have an interesting situation (especially if it's a SF flick, like Terminator 4 or Nowhereland). That may mean some studio heads smell blood in the water.
as a long time Trek fan
by j2talk
Jun 27th, 2008
08:05:39 PM
to me ANY new TREK is going to be worth checking out...
To those saying JJ Abrams is a hack...
by rassmguy
Jun 27th, 2008
08:30:53 PM
...just remember this: You're reading AICN. There's not a more hackish site out there. If you hate hack writers so much, why do you ready Harry Knowles' reviews?
You know "Star Trek II" was the best one right?
by Gozu
Jun 27th, 2008
08:59:56 PM
I mean, yes, it didn't have the same sense of scale as "The Motion Picture" because they trimmed off all the fat and pretense. "Horatio Hornblower in space." You're not going to win anyone over if you start talking about Wise's Star Trek and J.J. Abrams' in the same breath.
Roddenberry created TREK to be a Western in Space
by rassmguy
Jun 27th, 2008
09:06:53 PM
Uh....no he didn't. That was never his intention. That's how he got the networks to buy into his science-fiction idea--by selling them on the whole "Wagon Train to the Stars" motif when, in fact, he had no intention on delivering that. He has said so himself. Research before reviewing is key.
bobjustbob
by DennisMM
Jun 27th, 2008
10:54:08 PM
It was meant ironically. Star Trek + time travel is nearly as risky as Star Trek + search for gods.
I wish they hadn't had Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc..on the first fli
by chien_sale
Jun 28th, 2008
12:41:13 AM
I even would have hoped to see a movie where the Space Feferation is coming into being and you see the first explorations. And there's no aliens amongst the crew. There hasn't been any contact yet. You just see human beings exploring the cosmos and what they see outthere.
Yack, it's OK for the geek emotional thing...
by NoHubris
Jun 28th, 2008
12:56:15 AM