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They Hired An African-American Guy To Play The Black Canary!! Behold The Promo For The Upcoming HEROES Web Series!!

Nth! by chromedome	Jul 7th, 2008 11:42:57 PM
got it covered...
where N = 1 by chromedome	Jul 7th, 2008 11:43:16 PM

Wake Me Up if it Gets Good by gad	Jul 7th, 2008 11:50:38 PM
I don't much feel like getting burned again with most of the characters I like getting killed like it was some stupid horror movie so I'll take a pass again like I did with the abortion that was the second season.
Easily the most useless show on television. by RawShark13	Jul 7th, 2008 11:55:46 PM
Piece of hit.
no love for Canada by Jubba	Jul 8th, 2008 12:09:20 AM
can't see the clip --- anyone got an alternative link?
black banshee....not canary by bacci40	Jul 8th, 2008 12:29:07 AM
and it looks like shit...sorry
Jubba...you aint missing anything by bacci40	Jul 8th, 2008 12:33:29 AM
mailman has a hot gf...discovers that he has the power of the banshee...mama petrelli gets him and fucks his brains out...now hes a bad guy who loves gilfs
"we're sorry, by JackNF	Jul 8th, 2008 01:05:33 AM
but the clip you selected isn't available from your location. Please select another clip." Fucking NBC
Most anticipated return of the fall by zooch	Jul 8th, 2008 01:15:04 AM
I don't care what anybody says, I still loooove this show. And after reading the Q&As with the writers, they have been listening to the fans, and they getting back on track this season.
Bring on the Anti-Heroes by Purgatori	Jul 8th, 2008 01:26:25 AM
I can't wait to see Evil Peter.
not again by LordMyst	Jul 8th, 2008 01:27:05 AM
"we're sorry, but the clip you selected isn't available from your location. Please select another clip." maybe on youtube?
"They Hired An African-American To Play The Black Canary?" by Rinse	Jul 8th, 2008 02:18:31 AM
Isn't it more intriguing that they hired a man to play the Black Canary?
Is Anybody Really Looking Forward To This Shit?!? by Luvs269er	Jul 8th, 2008 02:23:40 AM
Season 1 had the worst, anti-climactic ending. What a waste of goodwill (and two hours)! Season 2... Really, WTF was that?!? I was actually very happy when they decided NOT to produce a lot of new episodes after the Writer's Strike. (That way they couldn't blame Season Two's extreme lack of quality on the Writer's Strike!) Apparently momentarily finished with mining the Marvel stock for character rip-offs, Season Three promises this "Black Canary" rip-off and a female Speedster/Flash clone? And this Speedster is attempting to stop Hiro from going on ANOTHER quest?!? Again, does anybody really care? This schlocky, ultra-derivative show SUCKS! If anything, the producers ought to be run out of town for their criminal MISUSE of Kristen Bell last year. If we're all lucky, Season 3 will be the last.
"They Hired An African-American To Play The Black Canary?" by Phategod1	Jul 8th, 2008 02:36:15 AM
Thats a little abiguously Racist Herc Im just saying first of the fact that he's male brought thoughts Banshee, Not Black Canary and We all know Heroes holds no canon to DC or marvel, so your comment is bit much with out any type of cover statement.
Luvs269er by Mr. Zeddemore	Jul 8th, 2008 02:49:27 AM
GAH. WHY DO YOU KEEP WATCHING IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SHOW? It is not rocket science, it is not brain surgery, if you do not like something, then don't watch it. Don't think about it, don't give it any amount of time whatsoever, because you could put that time to tremendous use. Take that hour a week when you watch it, and get laid... or get drunk... or book a trip. Then add up all the hours you spend bitching about it, and go socialise with people. Your life will improve immediately, and so will ours by proxy because we won't have to put up with the most annoying of trends, namely 'The hater who hates but never stops watching.'
I stopped watching by wash	Jul 8th, 2008 03:10:13 AM
So I will hate on this show with a clean conscious. Show sucks now. The end.
Wash by Mr. Zeddemore	Jul 8th, 2008 03:28:22 AM
See, I respect that. At least you stopped watching, which shows you really hate it rather than socially hate it.
why do i keep checking this stupid site? by BlackJackBauer	Jul 8th, 2008 04:15:05 AM
herc has been a closet racist for a long time, i swear this fat fucker has problems with black people. THE WHOLE WORLD ISNT WHITE YOU FAT FUCKER. GOT DAMN. get a fucking clue you arrogant prick.
Damn Straight Honky Cracker MoFO by redfist	Jul 8th, 2008 06:05:52 AM

How many super powers can you come up with? by Mal Carne	Jul 8th, 2008 06:22:02 AM

I mean, seriously. by Mal Carne	Jul 8th, 2008 06:24:14 AM
Super scream? "Black canary ripoff." Speedster? "Flash ripoff". I mean, seriously. Can you come up with a super that someone hasn't had before? Oh, wait. I forgot. People on this board whine - they don't actually do anything creative. Silly me.
dammed if you do dammed if you dont by Mr_X	Jul 8th, 2008 06:25:37 AM
you watch cause you think it will be good. ie season 1, however, it completely fucks up the ending. you watch cause you think it will get better. season 2. but it doesn't. kring, sir, no more chances. this season you'd better come out firing on all cylinders and have a proper honest to goodness finale lined up. you get loyalty for constant good work, and you haven't acheived this. right now you're more like the 4400. great mini series, great start to a series, turns all crappy, and people leave and never come back.
someone put this on your tube by Mr_X	Jul 8th, 2008 06:26:20 AM
fucking nbc
no actually fuck you heroes by Mr_X	Jul 8th, 2008 06:33:23 AM
for letting go of journeyman in favor of shit.
This show has lost it's way. by fiester	Jul 8th, 2008 07:13:41 AM
Sorry. After such a promising debut season this is beginning to look more and more like a super-powered Love Boat.
At least..... by fishpillow	Jul 8th, 2008 08:42:43 AM
Herc didn't use the N word. And I'm gonna check out the premiere, and if I'm not rocked I give up. Season 2 was shit on a stick, and somebody took my stick.
Season 2 sucked only if you hate character development by MrSensitive	Jul 8th, 2008 08:46:27 AM
I've seen people here drool with glee over episodes of "Buffy" that were worse than anything from last season; not everything has to be fisticuffs and explosions to be good.
How many powers? by rock-me Amodeo	Jul 8th, 2008 09:23:29 AM
The power to create inescapable jars that hold energy beings...or some such. Thank you Grant Morrison and ye Olde Doom Patrol...
Heroes had TV's single-worst storyline last season... by Pennsy	Jul 8th, 2008 09:23:49 AM
The Telemundo Twins. Maya gets to stay and have an increased storyline while Elle, who was pretty much the only reason to hang in there to see how S2 would turn out, will be on for only 5 episodes. A cameo appearance, for all intent. :\|
The "N" word... by rock-me Amodeo	Jul 8th, 2008 09:24:22 AM
Non-union actor?
Yes, the TT's were worse than Grey's Anatomy's 'Gizzie' by Pennsy	Jul 8th, 2008 09:39:39 AM
As much as folks piledrove that plot 5 miles into the ground, it was Shakespeare compared to Maya and Alejandro. Heroes is on probation with me, and I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with S3. I won't be getting the S2 blu-ray, as the extras do not rise to the level of a buy with me, considering just how the show damaged itself. If they kill off Kristen Bell's Elle, then that's a dealbreaker for me. Bye bye, DVR season pass. Sylar turning GOOD?, if only for a while? Teaming up with HRG? The bounds of credulity look like they're going to be expanded as never before with FuturePeter! and FutureClaire! (tm, me) and Mama Petrelli becoming a series regular...
Oh, so that's why Herc's racial preference is being questions. by SkidMarkedUndies	Jul 8th, 2008 10:51:50 AM
Now I see.
After the Season One Finale, and Season Two by ZeroCorpse	Jul 8th, 2008 10:57:19 AM
I think I speak for most of the geek community when I say "FUCK HEROES." Seriously, how could they fuck it up so badly? The Season One finale was the stuff of legendary FAIL. The bulk of Season Two was worthless. The Sylar storyline went nowhere. The Latino Wonder Twins absolutely sucked (and I mean no disrespect to the actors, because they were fine-- It was the script that sucked). Further episodes just got worse and worse with little pay-off. I'm in no hurry to watch Heroes again. If I accidentally catch it, then maybe I'll watch it. But as far as I'm concerned, Heroes fell apart at the finale of Season One, and never recovered.
He's a black? by KazamaSmokers	Jul 8th, 2008 10:57:20 AM

ZeroCorpse,I've seen enough of Dania Ramirez by Pennsy	Jul 8th, 2008 11:12:42 AM
to last me 3 or 4 lifetimes. Her Maya is the successor to Kim Bauer as TV's most grating, annoying character, and there's not even a competition for second place. Too bad Kring didn't pull the trigger and kill both the wonder twins off, like Lost did with Nikki and Paolo. Lost in that case did the best thing for a storyline that went nowheres. Heroes did the next-best thing.
ZeroCorpse by D_T	Jul 8th, 2008 11:14:20 AM
That's about my assessment as well. S1 got so many things right I was giddy we might actually have a competent superhero treatment on a TV show. Then the lackluster finale. OK, they can recover with the new season. Nope - again, they had sprinkling of good ideas, but the best S2 EP's were never as good as even of the only moderately decent S1 shows. There was so much potential wasted (and so many things hinted at that went nowhere). I think everyone disliked the twins, wanted more clarification with the Sylar captor/escape, etc., and it just never happened. I want to be an apologist and blame it on the writer's strike (which certainly had some effect), but seeing the downward spiral from the last few S1 EP's, S2 wasn't completely shocking. I really hope they make some adjustments, get the writers in gear, don't have any logistics issues to blame and make the show good this season.
Hopefully he's a better actor than that git that played D.L. by IAmJack'sUserID	Jul 8th, 2008 11:35:52 AM
The actor that plays D.L. and Greg Grunberg or w/e are two of the worst actors on that show. Oh, and that Milo Ventajamgimailals also sucks. Tries and fails to look like a badass. First season was great, second was shit. So I hope the creators learn from their mistakes, even though from interviews it sounds like they did.
Oh, and lay off the racist claims, idiots. by IAmJack'sUserID	Jul 8th, 2008 11:39:13 AM
There's more racism in your average black comedian's stand-up material or rap song. So get over it, hypocrites.
I think it's funny that BlackJackBauer... by IAmJack'sUserID	Jul 8th, 2008 11:40:53 AM
...is calling someone's racial prejudices into question. Oh, Herc mentioned a black guy did (s)he? Idiot.
WOW!!! by mr_l_74	Jul 8th, 2008 11:42:54 AM
What's up witht the hate but you still look at it i think some of ya sheep look at the show and see how TB going and go from there not saying the Heroes was good but it better than most of the crap that i saw last year and i'll check it out and also love Lost so you CAN LIKE BOTH
BTW by mr_l_74	Jul 8th, 2008 11:48:07 AM
I heard the same crap with Lost 2 season and we saw what happen
Can someone upload it on youtube? by DanteS2005	Jul 8th, 2008 12:18:35 PM
I mean, if you hate nbc so much you should be willing to violate their copyright on that movie, right?
We get it ZeroCorpse... by MrSensitive	Jul 8th, 2008 12:20:13 PM
..."Heroes" didn't end the way you wanted it, therefore no one else should like it; this is why the perpetually disgruntled should be ignored. Until the day the studio hires you as the head writer, get over yourself and find something else to watch.
Powers that haven't been seen anywhere else... by Kid Z	Jul 8th, 2008 12:43:56 PM
...let's see...ummmm...uhhh...hmmmm... how about... the power to ummmm.... the power to have every superpower you haven't heard of! No, dammit... that was a villain in Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol...shit!
THE POWER TO..... by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Jul 8th, 2008 01:01:33 PM
...Get Haters off their asses and do it themselves, for a change.
The Power to make fanboy exaggerations come true by Big Jim	Jul 8th, 2008 01:48:35 PM
"I'd rather have my testicles eaten by a rabid goat than watch 1 minute of Grey's Anatomy". Your wish is my command! Speaking of Grey's: Pennsy, what's a "Gizzie"?
Not Black Canary it's Black Bolt... by dihay	Jul 8th, 2008 01:49:18 PM
as his power gets stronger the realization will set in that at some point that any vocal sounds he makes will destroy something so he has to learn how to keep his trap shut unless needed. That's why the character is a male because a female could never learn to keep her trap shut, hence, we're all doomed. What a GREAT tragic character they have there.
jubba by blckmgk13	Jul 8th, 2008 01:50:58 PM
I am in Canada and it worked for me. Not sure what the issue is. I will tell you that it still looks uninteresting as all hell.....though that music at the end... was that a nod to "Carnivale"?
I hope this show finds its feet soon by Mullah Omar	Jul 8th, 2008 02:07:34 PM
HEROES is yet another case of good concepts executed poorly. Season 1 built up to something great and epic but then fizzled out. Season 2 had a lot of potential and then just sort of ended without fully exploring the best angles (and also squandered a lot of time on secondary stories that went nowhere). I still like the show, but its sloppy execution and waste of good ideas ensures that it's far from being on my list of favorites. I have to imagine that a lot of the fanfic for this show exceeds what ends up onscreen. In terms of how its potential is being exploited, HEROES is a bit like a goldmine staffed with one-armed blind men. Sad.
Da Chronic, Halitosis by Tallguyme	Jul 8th, 2008 02:07:42 PM
looks stupid.
ending music by lfhlaw	Jul 8th, 2008 02:09:12 PM
It does sound a little like carnivale...but that has been heroes signature music. never noticed until you mentioned it blckmgk13
Glad you asked, Big Jim..."Gizzie" = by Pennsy	Jul 8th, 2008 02:09:54 PM
George and Izzie on Grey's Anatomy; that was what fans were calling that hookup.
The storyline where Elle could've been the Biggest Bad of S3... by Pennsy	Jul 8th, 2008 02:31:26 PM
Egged on by Noah 'HRG' Bennett, Elle digs deeper into her past to try and find out exactly how bad Midas Bob f'd her childhood up. Since the Villains arc is 13 episodes, wrap up the Elle/Bob storyline in maybe 2 eps, tops. She find out something ghastly, something so off-the-chain bad she not only confronts Bob, she fries h7is ass. Then Elle, still in the throes of blind, animal rage, goes directly to Primatech Paper Company, crispy-critters any and everyone who gets in her way and takes over the complex. Taking over The Company. Elle soon discovers Level 5, and the 'dozen Sylars' that are cooped up there. She presents them with a get out of jail free card and unleashes them on the world. All 12 under Elle's control. All 12 ready to do her bidding. Kinda like Dark Willow from season 6 of Buffy to the thousandth power. You wouldn't need even one FutureInsertCharacterNameHere. Elle could find out where her lover Adam Monroe is and dig him out of his grave; and woos Parkman to the dark side for good measure. With this scenario, you could reasonably have Sylar and the other Heroes call a temporary truce while they fight an evil greater, perhaps than all of them put together. It would be a terrific acting showcase for Bell to be completely, utterly, scene-chewingly badass. But that's relegated to what might have been-ville.
its not just this talkback for herc.. by BlackJackBauer	Jul 8th, 2008 02:35:45 PM
he has shown bigotry in MANY different articles, taking a shot here and there. herc was the dickhead that questioned Common's acting and and was pissed they put "a rapper" in the new Terminator movie, like those darn rappers are just messing up everything good and white. he is consistent with his fat man disdain for all things black. fuck this guy, herc has never been or never will be shit but a jealous fat man. i bet his sister fucks a black guy or something.
When douches throw around "Big Bad" and "Dark Willow"... by Executor	Jul 8th, 2008 03:00:07 PM
...their criticism goes out the window. I was a big Buffy and Serenity fan too, but all shows needn't be made in that image. It's like fanboys just want shows to regurgitate things they've enjoyed before, like an endless reunion tour of past TV shows. Heroes isn't Buffy. It's not Veronica Mars with lightning powers. Get over it.
what's the point of using the fucking internet by punto	Jul 8th, 2008 03:36:53 PM
if it's not going to work outside of the US? don't they have transmitter to beam this thing all over the country? it's called INTERnet for a reason
BlackJackBauer, thanks for the confirmation... by IAmJack'sUserID	Jul 8th, 2008 03:53:29 PM
...that you're an idiot, and a race-baiting one at that. I guess you could say Samuel L. Jackson is a racist as well, because at one time he derided the practice of giving rappers top acting gigs over actual...you know...actors? Oh, but he's black so I guess he's incapable of racism, right? And questioning a rapper's "acting talent" is not racism, you retared fuck. Did he say that Common sucks because he's black, or is that what your antagonizing mind came up with just so you could cry racism? I hate idiots like you that can milk racism out of anything. Of course, you wear your race on your sleeve I am sure, just as your handle implies. So it's no surprise that everything boils down to race. I can already see that you're the type of jackass that blames everything on racism. "Dammit, I hit 'enter' when I was trying to make my post and it posted my incomplete rant. Damn racist software, no doubt made by yet another racist white man!" Go stuff your racism claims up your ass, you whiny fuck. No one wants to see you blame everyone else but yourself for your own confidence problems.
Thanks Pennsy, although I think I am now dumber by Big Jim	Jul 8th, 2008 04:00:08 PM
for knowing that. And I have suddenly developed an aggrevating compulsion to watch The Hills. Must ... watch ... episode of ... 24 ... before ... it's too late.... Then again, we go on about Soulpatch, the Jack-sack, the Amazing Marwan - master of 1000 escapes, and our platonic man-love for agent Bauer, so I guess I can't be too critical of how others talk about their favourite shows.
Executor, you're fighting an uphill battle by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 04:03:16 PM
Pennsy has an insane fanboy crush on Bell. Who is talented and did a great job on Veronica Mars AND Forgetting Sarah Marshall. But who is NOT that awesome as Elle. In fact, Elle is more yawn-inducing than the Wondertwins precisely because crazed fanboys like Pennsy threw 8 tons of baggage on the character before she even set foot on screen. All because she's being played by a particular actress. Who frankly phoned that shit in. I admit, she wasn't given a lot to work with story-wise, but the onus is not all on the writers. She needs to accept partial responsibility. I say GOOD FOR YOU to Bell for requesting a scale back of the character.
jack'sUserID by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 04:12:11 PM
What do BlackJackBauer's claims about Herc's bigotry have to do with his confidence? And what's this "blame everyone else" bullshit? Extrapolate much? I'm with you on the whole "Sam Jackson said it, he's not racist" argument, sort of, but then you get to be just as bad if not more so than BJB. You know what I hate? Idiots like you who think that just because the guy you're arguing with is being a dick that automatically makes you NOT a dick. Guess what? You're a dick, too. Hooray, you've found common ground! You two can go have a pissing contest somewhere else while the rest of us go on talking about the show in question.
Necgray, also a fellow idiot I see. by IAmJack'sUserID	Jul 8th, 2008 04:50:20 PM
You really make no sense. I hate idiots like you that think that I think I am not a dick because I think the other guy is a dick. That's what you're saying, and it's about as sensible. I just saw a Corey Haim interview on YouTube where he's pilled out totally, and yet he makes more sense than you. So congrats, you make a drugged-out Corey Haim look like fucking FDR.
how does that not make sense? by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 05:18:17 PM
You might not agree with my statement, but you really don't think it makes any sense? It seems pretty logical to me. Follow the steps if you can. You, IAmJack'sUserID, claim that BlackJackBauer lacks confidence and has to blame everyone else for this lack. You also claim that you hate his "type", a "retared fuck" and a "jackass", because he "blames everything on racism". Nowhere in there do you state, "I, too, am a retared fuck and a jackass", so I have to assume you think you are in some way superior to him. Tell me honestly that you think you're a dick. If you acknoweldge that you're as big an asshole as you claim BJB to be, then my accusation holds no water. See? Pretty simple. Now which of us is an idiot? Oh, right, I am. Because I don't agree with you. Thanks for clearing that up.
also, Jack'sUserID by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 05:19:10 PM

to be hyperbolic, Jack by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 05:23:01 PM
I just watched a Youtube video of David Hasselhoff eating a cheeseburger drunk off his ass and he made more sense than you. See how pathetic and easy and limp that is? Stop trying to hit me and hit me, to quote a black character who was intended to be cast as white but in the end it didn't matter because the character himself is pretty silly...
its not black bolt either...its banshee by bacci40	Jul 8th, 2008 05:53:47 PM
black canary didnt get the power of sonic scream till much later in the character's life...black bolt cant talk without killing everyone...banshee is the original sonic scream....black banshee...and who cares about the power, its the compostion...which sucketh
Necgray...no, still no sense being made on your part. by IAmJack'sUserID	Jul 8th, 2008 06:48:42 PM
So you're saying that in order to disgree with an overzealous git I have to claim that I too am being an asshole? Humm, nowhere in the Debate Handbook did I read that one. And nowhere on any talkback whatsoever have I seen a TB'er disagree with someone and then add in the little waiver that he too is being an asshole. So admitting that somehow validates the argument being made? You might want to start contacting news outlets about that nugget of wisdom you've discovered, because it could forever change the way arguments are made from now on. Way to go for that Nobel, man! But see, you're the one disagreeing with me and nowhere have I seen you admit to being an asshole. So perhaps you should not only perpetuate this brilliant idea but actually start this trend. I'll be waiting.
Mr. Zeddemore= WTF?! by Luvs269er	Jul 8th, 2008 08:15:07 PM
Jeez, your an idiot Zeddemore. Before you comment on someone else's post you should really ATTEMPT TO READ IT I watched the first season and lov ed the earlier episodes that were graphic and way off the charts visually for
MR. Zeddemore = WTF?! Take 2 by Luvs269er	Jul 8th, 2008 08:49:02 PM
Jeez, your an idiot Mr. Zeddemore. Before you comment on someone else's post you should really ATTEMPT TO READ IT FIRST... and if that's too much to ask HAVE SOMEONE READ IT TO YOU. I watched the first season and loved how the earlier episodes were graphic-- way off the charts visually. The writing was so-so and derivative. Then newness wore off and the show started to slide in quality. Just when I thought, "No more!" they would do something great to bring me back. I went into Season Two with a LOT of trepidation that it would be the same and got rewarded with WORSE... and guess what... I STOPPED watching BEFORE the end of strike truncated season!! Betcha didn't SEE that coming, did you-- jerkoff? Yeah, I STOPPED watching BEFORE the season ended. But that didn't mean I stopped READING magazines or Daily Variety or the internet or that I had FRIENDS (of which I have plenty, thank you) who would INSIST on telling me what happened even if I said I didn't want to hear. So why did I post to this talkback? Because I initially liked the show and was disappointed to see that they looked to be going down some of the same well worn roads in Season Three-- problem areas that plagued Seasons One and Two. YOUR lack of knowledge and maturity really showed when you ATTACKED me (an anonymous poster) for some opinions. (Ironically, dozens of other posters seemed to AGREE with me. You'd know that if, as I wrote above, you could READ.) You then further buried yourself deep in the your own shit pile when you decided to launch a lame attack on my life and my habits. I DON'T KNOW YOU ASSWIPE... and EVEN IF I DID, I WOULDN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ME OR MY OPINIONS... SO GET OVER YOURSELF. You fungal rots that use the internet to HIDE behind your caustic, silly words... YOU SUCK. I noticed a few inches below my post that you reacted FAVORABLY to someone else's post. Hey NUMBNUTS... Guess what? We don't need a HALL MONITOR here... and if we did, we would NOT elect the asshole with the OVERBLOWN SENSE THAT HIS IDEAS OR OPINIONS ARE ANY BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE'S IDEAS OR OPINIONS. Oh-- and why did it take me almost a day to return your pissy volley? Because I do have a life you nitwit and even if I didn't-- I wouldn't spend my day attempting to make strangers feel bad with what free time I did have. Kring and his cohorts produce HEROES for public consumption. They're big enough to take my anonymous internet criticism, I assure you. But who knows, if enough of us post like I did about Season Two... maybe some difference will be made and the show might get a little bit better in Season 3. Probably not but who knows? I can guarantee your out of line attack on me will MOST DEFINITELY NOT help the show you apparently are still watching. (See, I wrote "apparently" because I have no idea if you are still watching HEROES or not.) In the end, the thing I like BEST about posters like you: One of these days, emboldened by your worthless internet attacks, you'll take your perceived "BADASS PERSONA" out to the street-- and somebody will promptly hand you your head you on a platter. Oh, how I wish that it could be me!
Latest promo: "It's not their abilities that make them Heroes... by Pennsy	Jul 8th, 2008 09:15:21 PM
"It's the choices they make." http://tinyurl.com/67zy7r
LOL@ this ID guy by BlackJackBauer	Jul 8th, 2008 10:01:32 PM
u got me all figured out eh? typical shit. about common, herc had snickered about "rappers" fucking up projects and it was just oozing with sacrasm about common,gangsta rap etc, when common is NO WHERE NEAR THAT. He sounds like one of those corny news anchors who talks about rap, or the the ones who talked about the "obama terrorist fist jab". its racial politics, plain and simple. herc has a bias against blacks, ive seen him make off hand remarks time and time again and its not just a coincidence. the fatman knows what he is doing. LOL you are probaly herc, the only one here to defend him.
Let's try this again, Jack. by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 10:13:45 PM
See, I started my original reply by asking, to paraphrase: "Hey, what does BJB's position on Herc's bigotry have to do with BJB's confidence? And where might you be getting the idea that BJB blames racism for all of his problems?" Questions you never really answered, but whatever. You were extrapolating. And you were being unnecessarily personal and vitriolic to boot. Which to me equals idiot. A word you used to describe BJB. I was merely pointing out that you were the pot calling the kettle black (hey, word play!) and that the rest of us who don't want to read race-baiting (a fair enough accusation on your part) NOR vitriolic hypocrisy (that'd be you) would be happy if the two of you went off into a corner and slugged it out on your own. And you're making my point for me, thanks for catching up. It's rare for someone, particularly a TBer like you who obviously loves tossing invective around, to believe that he is in any way being just as "stupid" or "racist" or "liberal" or "conservative" or WHATEVER as the subject of his scorn. Are we clear? I don't know why I'm asking since the most likely response will be a hilariously childish, "No, and you're dumb." Or maybe another delightfully meaningless made-up comparison. Like, "Necgray, I was watching scrambled Japanese porn and it made more sense than you."
BlackJackBauer doesn't care about fat people by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 10:23:06 PM
I got something figured out about you. You like to accuse other people of bias but you sure do love that "fat" word, don't you? I think you're encouraging black on fat violence. You and JacksID can go yell at each other and call each other names by the monkey bars on the playground after school, how does that sound? And for the record, BJB, 95% of ALL musician-actors are of questionable quality. Common and DMX can make a movie with Britney Spears and the Spice Girls and you can go shell out $10 to watch them all "act".
To try and steer this back ontopic... by Pennsy	Jul 8th, 2008 10:59:23 PM
There's a newer promo on NBC.com which strongly suggests Sylar is, in fact, Mama Petrelli's adopted son (!!). I think we're all in agreement that this is a make-or-break season for the show. They've gotta go balls to the wall from the first minute of the first episode and brakes be damned.
Pennsy, that's a relief by necgray	Jul 8th, 2008 11:13:32 PM
I hope that suggestion proves out as I've been wondering if they'll ever get around to explaining the connection between these people. Sylar seemed out of place, but if he's got a genetic link to the "Golden Age" Heroes group, that would help connect him. And sorry about the lengthy off-topic diatribe. It's been that kind of day for me, and as Capt. Dudley says in L.A. Confidential: "It's best to stay away from a man when his blood is up."
necgray, yes, i do hate fat people by BlackJackBauer	Jul 9th, 2008 12:03:34 AM
90% of fat people are fat because they are lazy listless fat asses. i have no sympathy for them. fat arrogant americans. just look at texas, the biggest waistline with the most idiots. and the thing is, Herc pointed out RAPPER like it was a disease and the rapper was gonna talk in ebonics and be the "thug" of the movie...when common is the furthest thing from a fast talking thug rapper. everything about herc's sarcastic post was just horrible. on top of that, he lets the racism build up in threads when people say nigger this nigger that, but if someone says something about jews he is QUICK to delete the response. fuck that fat fucker.
IAmJack'sUserID necray pulled your by Phategod1	Jul 9th, 2008 01:05:34 AM
Card I must say most of the thing BJB said about Herc hold a lot weight. There's a difference in Good natured racial humor and straight up bigotry and if it makes someone feel uncomfortable good likelihood its bigotry.
BJB and JacksID: roman names: Hypocrates by necgray	Jul 9th, 2008 02:26:25 AM
BJB, where might you have gotten that percentage? Oh, right, you made that shit up. Way to create baseless statistics. And Texas has the most idiots. Oh, wait, are you generalizing Texans based on no personal experience of your own? Shock and surprise! But damn you Herc for generalizing Common. What a biased jerk. And I hate to inform you, but a tone-deaf white grandmother is technically the furthest thing from Common. AND though I agree it's wrong to assume that Common will play a "thug" and speak in ebonics, you can't deny that most rappers play ebonic-speaking thugs in film. Is that Herc's fault? No, it isn't. Maybe if we didn't have a Blockbuster shelf full of Direct-to-DVD DMX shit films it wouldn't be so easy to generalize.
They hired a dork to spark racial debate by biteyou	Jul 9th, 2008 02:27:42 AM
Okay..let's relax with the allegations of Herc's supposed racist inclinations. I think the proper focus should be placed on his "dorkist" leanings. I mean come on, why even go there with bold type headlines about whether someone is black, white, chartreuse, etc.? Who gives a crap? Herc is sophisticated enough to know that such story titles often result in bringing the fringe folk out of the louse-infested woodwork. This is what he wants; an orgy of idiots coming out and clamoring about race and contradicting themselves left and right. Racism on Herc's part? Not necessarily. Dorkism? Most definitely.
Luvs269er by Mr. Zeddemore	Jul 9th, 2008 02:58:42 AM
Bad-ass persona? Um, no. I'm a geek. A geek whose drinking diet coke with citrus and posting here. I write what amounts to Daredevil fan-fiction online. My sole point was that, if you hated Heroes, don't watch it. As you have, I don't understand the venom you're spouting. And my post wasn't intended maliciously, it was just me wondering why someone who disliked the show would keep up with it at all. If you took that as a slight on you, I apologise. It was merely me being baffled that - quite a few -people hate the show hardcore style, yet can't stop watching... seemingly just to have something to complain about. It'd be like me watching Stargate... or Stargate Atlantis (which bore me to tears) just to post about them. I don't watch them, I don't discuss them, because there's far cooler things to do. Heroes is a show I watch, and like (even if I do see the flaws... Maya didn't bother me too much, but she could have been written a Helluva lot better), so I talk about it with like minded people. If the show got to the point where I hated it, I'd walk away.
Talkback has its... by MonkeyManReturns	Jul 9th, 2008 03:50:05 AM
...heroes and villians...the heroes criticise constructively...whilst the villians say 'series 2 was shit.' Truth be told - Heroes suffers from having a great premise which whooped fans into a frenzy. Any other show written like this would have been praised through the roof...but because expectations were high, ol Timmy could never satisfy. I thought the show entertained...good characters...some good ideas...some good subplots and I look forward to series 3. Haters - don't watch and don't comment. Your services no longer required.
MonkeyManReturns by Mr. Zeddemore	Jul 9th, 2008 04:19:07 AM
Exactly. People always act like those who praise Heroes are ignorant. I know there's problems (Niki is acted brilliantly, but she isn't a good character), but I don't care. The good outweighs the bad for me.
why all the hate? be rational... by coachaaron	Jul 9th, 2008 07:12:31 AM
i'll be the first to admit that heroes fell apart with season 1's finale and other than momentary flashes of coolness, season 2 was absolutely pathetic. still, i'm excited to watch this again and i'll give it another shot for 2 reasons, 1. there is barely anything else on network TV worth watching, and 2. it seems like the writers have learned from their mistakes and listened to what the fans want to see. season 3 has a shot to be very cool, and all you haters will come crawling back if it is. so just bit your lip and let's give it an episode or 2 to get back on track.
Its Okay To Say "Black Guy", Really by LaserPants	Jul 9th, 2008 08:09:30 AM
Ever notice how its only white people who insist on using the moniker "African American"? It's weird! I don't think I've ever met a black person who used the "african american" to describe themselves or their race.
Hey You Could Always Read A Book, Go Outside, Meet A Girl by LaserPants	Jul 9th, 2008 08:12:09 AM
Rather than obsess about a mediocre tv show that was pretty cool until it died midway through its first season.
Laserpants and "Black guy" by rock-me Amodeo	Jul 9th, 2008 08:27:38 AM
The height of that irony was when Tuvok was introduced in TV Guide as Star Trek's first "African American Vulcan." "Tuvok - neither African, nor American. Nor even Terran. Discuss!"
Really bad title...... by bugkill	Jul 9th, 2008 08:29:29 AM
AICN really needs to clean this title up. If the character was a white male, would the title have been "They hired an White American Guy"? I seriously doubt it and the title should be changed. I'm getting tired of people making note of someone's color and it is usually always about black americans. You have a vid posted, so why state the obvious when everyone will see that this character is black? Also, there is only one race, and it is called human. We have different ethnic groups, but we are all of the same race. We have the same biological makeup and we can mix with one another, not to mention, we can save each other's lives with our organs. Enough is enough, AICN should step up and fix this crap, or they allowed this to stir up stuff in the community.
NotFunny by Mr. Zeddemore	Jul 9th, 2008 09:10:47 AM
I've read Watchman, The Dark Knight Returns, Daredevi: Born Again and Identity Crisis... and I still enjoy Heroes. So no, it's not just for people who know nothing about comics. it's for people like me who mark out when they see a TV character fly... or teleport... or freeze time.
READ the headline by MonkeyManReturns	Jul 9th, 2008 09:11:37 AM
Black Canary is a white (European American?) woman. She has crazy screaming abilities. Heroes has taken this ability and the show has cast a black (African American? Carribean American?)man to play a role SIMILAR to that of the Canary. Thats it. There is nothing racist in it. Don't be paranoid. Don't be dumb. Just read it for what it is: a headline telling us that a man-whose-ethnicity-may-come-e ither-from-africa-or-the-carri bean-or-australia-since-scient ists-have-now-found-that-the-f irst-man-came-from-australia-a nd-is-american-by-citizenship has been hired to play a role similar to that of the black canary. Who is a woman. And who is White - caucasion - European- whatever is politically correct that I dont upset the scared nazi skinheads amongst you. The irony is he acknowledges that the show rips off comic characters, but then spins it by changing race and sex. Thats it. Get a life. Get a job. Get an education.
LaserPants by Mr. Zeddemore	Jul 9th, 2008 09:11:41 AM
So you hated 1x17 and 1x20? The two, even to the haters, best eps of the series to date?!?
Nah, I Pretty Much Liked All Of Season 1 by LaserPants	Jul 9th, 2008 09:43:38 AM
I was just being a dick. In all seriously, though, I just want the whole thing to be shorter, tighter, more streamlined. I've realized, over the years, that I don't really like the tv show format; it takes a simple, cool, exiting premise, and stretches it out too long to the point where we have to suffer through filler and wank to get to the goods. Both HEROES and LOST could be told in 6 (maybe as much as 12, but no more) solid episodes told in the cable tv format; the whole 26 episode long multiple season thing, where there are only like 5 or 6 episodes really worth watching in any given season, is tiresome and more than a little overkill-y. I don't need to distract myself that much from life, I just want to watch good stories and hopefully get some inspiration or entertainment from them.
oh LaserPants, please don't compare by necgray	Jul 9th, 2008 11:17:47 AM
Lost and Heroes. Not in the same league. Not even the same game. Lost >>>>>> Heroes, and I really liked Heroes S1. But it's still vastly inferior to Lost. I think Lost does function better on a shorter schedule, but they would definitely need the high end 12. Season 4 was 14 and they wanted another two at least to give us backstory on the freighter characters.
"Tyroc" means "Scream of the Devil" by snorfbat	Jul 9th, 2008 01:16:36 PM
Tyroc (an "African-American guy") had sonic powers years before Black Canary did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T yroc Kids these days. No sense of history.
Snorfbat, you're wrong! by leftofcentristdotcom	Jul 9th, 2008 01:27:58 PM
Tyroc didn't appear until the mid to late '70s. Black Canary has been around since the '40s.
anchorite, that was Season 3 of Lost by necgray	Jul 9th, 2008 01:43:33 PM
And it was only kicked to the curb by a lot of fans because of the scheduling fiasco. They aired the first 6 episodes during the normal premiere weeks, then took a 3 month hiatus. During those 3 months the crossover Lost/Heroes fans naturally preferred Heroes. Because they were actually getting episodes. It didn't help that the first six episodes of Lost S3 were Kate-Jack-Sawyer heavy, a triangle that some Lost fans just don't like or care about. It also didn't help that the showrunners tried to introduce characters that nobody cared about (bye-bye Nikki and Paulo). If watched consecutively, Season 3 of Lost is absolutely amazing. And vastly superior to Heroes Season 1. Which is pretty good, but doesn't hold a candle. And what exactly is "meat"? In context, it looks like you mean that Heroes delivered on mysteries that it set up. Well, I'd say revealing who the Others are is a spicy meat-a-ball. Revealing how John Locke ended up in a wheelchair? Mmm, slow-roasted baby-back ribs. Paying off the build-up of Desmond's visions about Charlie? Oh man, it's falling off the bone! Let's not forget, too, that Lost was in its third season and Heroes was in its first. The glow of youth is always alluring...
Tyroc and Black Canary by rock-me Amodeo	Jul 9th, 2008 01:46:34 PM
Actually, I think Black Canary (Dinah Laurel Lance) retroactively gained control of her Canary Cry during a retcon in 1983, even though her character (which was, in current continuity, her mom - Dinah DRAKE Lance) since 1947.
Tyroc and Black Canary, Pt II by rock-me Amodeo	Jul 9th, 2008 01:49:02 PM
So her mom never had the power, and the current Black Canary didn't either, in OUR time, until the 1980's...well after Mike Grell and Cary Bates introduced Tyroc in the mid 1970's...
lost part of my part I post by rock-me Amodeo	Jul 9th, 2008 01:52:17 PM
should have read "even though her character (which was at first, in current continuity, her mom - Dinah DRAKE Lance) has been around since 1947." woot
Aha, but ... by leftofcentristdotcom	Jul 9th, 2008 02:00:52 PM
Dinah Drake Lance also had the cry in the early '70s which was caused by the radiation that eventually killed her. Dinah Laurel Lance received her Canary Cry from a Meta gene.
His real name is Kiko Ellsworth... by DS9Sisko	Jul 9th, 2008 06:17:57 PM
... and it would be so much more respectful and less condescending to be just a bit more cognizant in acknowledging that fact. After all, Herc, do you also refer to your colleague's wife as "That Oriental Chick That Harry Married"?
Saying Common sucks isn't racist by TallBoy66	Jul 9th, 2008 07:12:40 PM
It's saying he sucks because he goddamn sucks! I've seen 4 movies with this fucker in it (Smokin' Aces, American Gangster, Street Kings, Wanted) over the past 2 years and he's absolutely gawd-awful in all of those roles with the exact same monotone, blank-eyed, zero emoting performance each time. He's simply a bad, period. I'm pissed he's in the Terminator series now too is because he goddamn sucks! Get a real actor fer crissakes! Black actor who pops up in alot of movies, and the movies suck but he's good in it, is Terry Crews. He rules. All of the roles that go to Common, give 'em to Crews.
Is that as condesending as Black Racer or Viking the Black? by Stalkeye	Jul 10th, 2008 05:03:41 AM
As much as I am a fan of Kirby, I often wondered what the fuck was he thinking when he came up with those concepts not to mention that comic Soul Love. The King had good intentions, but the execution was laughable at best, offensive to some at worst.
Were Niki & Paolo supposed to be new additions by Big Jim	Jul 10th, 2008 10:17:44 AM
to Lost but fan distaste made the creators drop them? Or is what we saw all they were intended for? I loved them in the show (eventually). My first reaction was "who the hell are these two?" and Paolo became known as the "take a shit guy". But I loved how it all came together. Their episode was one of my favourites for Season 3.
Big Jim re: Nikki and Paolo by necgray	Jul 10th, 2008 06:48:26 PM
They were always meant to eventually bite it, but not in such swift fashion. The producers wanted to slowly introduce them into the main cast and then eventually have them go out in pretty much the same way they did in their episode. Given the negative fan reaction to the characters, they just sped up the time frame of their demise. How much further would the characters have gone and how much would they have been involved in the freighter folk storyline of Season 4 is not really known.
I wanted an all-Niki "Expose" flashback episode!!!! by TallBoy66	Jul 11th, 2008 12:45:59 AM
But you fuckers ruined it with all your bitching. That was the masterplan. All Niki fighting crime in bikini's with Billy Dee Williams and stripping and kicking ass! You people make me sick, look what we could have had!!! But instead we got Syaid and that chick's cat instead. Why, dammit, why couldn't we have gotten the Nikki epiosde?
Razzle Dazzle by Big Jim	Jul 11th, 2008 12:35:36 PM

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